Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You recall incorrectly. I have made a repeated point of saying that both of them were addressed to the crowds and have shown several times in both Luke and Matthew that the sermons were delivered to all the crowds.

Nope. For weeks you posted that the Sermon on the Mount was addressed only to Christ's disciples and NOT to the crowds. You made a real point of it. You said that was the reason Christ walked away from the crowds and up the hill.

I'd delighted to see you've come around to the correct understanding that Christ was indeed addressing the crowds on the Sermon on the Mount.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John constitute the Gospels.

We all know what books make up the Gospel, Mark. But what is Christ referring to here? The words of the four Gospel books were written after Christ died. Here is Christ making reference to "the Gospel" so it can't be the four books that haven't been written yet.

"Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the kingdom of God,

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel." -- Mark 1:14-15

Believe what, Mark?

[Natural Law]

"Your post is gibberish."

Mark, we have had three days in which significant and mostly civil discussion and now we see the contrast and intellectual contrast to the morbidly anti-Catholics. Let's just continue like the negative cloud never actually returned. If we simply ignore it it will be exactly like it isn't really happening.

[boatbums]

If I may be a buttinski here...I believe a real test of Christian love is to preach the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as revealed to us in the Holy Bible. Then, we leave it up to the Holy Spirit of God, who's job it is to convict of truth, righteousness and judgment.

To insist that unless one is a member of a particular denomination - and the Roman Catholic Church IS one, sorry - that one cannot be saved, redeemed, sanctified is the very opposite of love. To do so is to distrust the will of God to open the eyes and ears of those who diligently search for the truth. The TRUE church is the body of believers in Christ and is universal (the actual definition of "catholic"). For one organization to co-opt the designation so that they can turn away whomever the please is not the message Christ intended when he spoke of his church.

I think it is quite telling here that most non-Catholic Christians are genuinely accepting of the fact that there are true Christians among the members of the Catholic Church but very few of the Catholics here do the same.

[boatbums]

Chocolate milk and Krispy Kremes, absolutely!!!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Alex is doing all of us a favor. He’s an internet god, cia spooky

I'm not even sure that's his real name. 8~O

[Mad Dawg]

I would have thought that the confidence and peace of knowing one is saved would make it easier to admit when one is mistaken on a small matter.

[Mad Dawg]

You two are funny. Even when I say something you agree with, you present your agreement as if it were a disagreement!

[Quix]

Yeah. Me too.

I’ve grown to virtually insist on journalistic paragraphing—the least bit of a new topic and I want a new paragraph.

Lots of white space for eye microrests between as well, is essential.

About every 4-7 lines is enough, text, already yet!

[Judith Anne]

I think it is quite telling here that most non-Catholic Christians are genuinely accepting of the fact that there are true Christians among the members of the Catholic Church but very few of the Catholics here do the same.

You probably missed RnMomof7's comment about her dead Catholic relatives likely being in hell.

[Quix]

Presently No Screen Name:
It’s a simple as ... If you want to learn the things of God, His Kingdom, The Truth - you go to His Word.
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If you feel someone else knows better than God, go to them. There isn’t a shortage of people deceived.

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it”. Matt 7:13

“But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it”. Matt 7:14 .
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Saving to a file. Worth repeating many times.

[Quix]

I could mostly agree.

Provided they continue to follow Jesus

wherever HE leads them, regardless.

[Judith Anne]

I wish.

[Quix]

Good points.

Though I don’t think Paul or Peter were milque toasts who faded to gray very easily or frequently.

[Quix]

It’s the convenient selective perception stuff . . . flip-flop rationalized stuff . . .

. . . enshrined in a Station of the White Hanky:

15. ICON TO CHRONIC & OBSESSIVE INCONSISTENCY.

[Mad Dawg]

I HATE for you to think that!

there are true Christians among the members of the Catholic Church but very few of the Catholics here do the same.

Heck, other'n me I don't think there are very many Xtians in the Catholic Church. Maybe the Pope ... Maybe my pastor. ...

Oh. Wait. You meant ...

never mind.

Seriously, it's just that we don't think there are any Christians among the non-Catholics on FR. We acknowledge the possibility as a theoretical thing, we just haven't seen any instances.

Not much better, huh?

;-)

Seriously, no really, this time I'm serious: We think we have something special. But it is a thing we need (or at least "enjoy" "in a special¹ sense") for our salvation, not a thing God needs to save somebody.

We also recognize that, saved or not, God isn't finished with any of us yet.But, for my part, not only to I think there are Christians among the unwashed, uh, I mean, non-Catholics, I also look up to some of them as in a special ² way models for me.

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Footnotes:
1. "Special" is a word Catholics use when they don't know what they're talking about or don't want to spell it out.
2. See note 1 above.

[Iscool]

The Jews are spiritually blind.. they do not see Christ.. who is revealed in all those books..

Anti Semitic, too? In that case, I am not too put out that you have renounced your Catholicism.

Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Appears as tho lots of people here give you accolades and atta-boys for your great wisdom and knowledge of God and the scriptures...But obviously they don't read nor believe the scriptures any more than you do...

You ought to be embarrassed after making the statement you did but somehow I'm thinking it won't faze you a bit...

[Quix]

MORE BRAZENLY FALSE, HYPOCRITICAL ASSERTIONS:

This is true and exactly why the Church has concrete dogmatic teaching even you benefit from.

The TRUTH IS, that the RCC agents hereon have relentlessly DEMONSTRATED day in and day out for YEARS

THAT

THE RCC ITSELF has NO consistent, non-contradictory, Biblical, unrubberized logical, unrubberized historical,

"concrete," reliable, integrous, unified, homogeneous . . . body of dogma or theology AT ALL. Any pretense to the contrary is outrageously brazen hubris to the max. How they can assert stuff and pretend to face God or their own mirrors with a straight face, is beyond me.

For example, the dogma of Christ's Divinity at the council of Nicea put an end to error creeping into the Church.The Church ,of course, always believed in Christ's Divinty before Nicea,but NOW the doors are slammed from error entering the Church forever.

GOODNESS! Folks really believe that pile of farce. I doubt the JW's have AS MANY or as complex a collection of illogical, irrational, rubber 'Bibled,' rubber historied, rubber daffynitioned, convoluted, contradictory, UNSCRIPTURAL heretical idolatries, blasphemies and plain doctrines of demons and of men. The RCC might have some competetion for such piles of theological trash from the LDS but I wouldn't swear to that even.

Like it or not ,dear sister ,protestantism's idea of solo scripture in NOT concrete or you would have one belief and unity ,not many sects-some who deny the Divinity ,Infant Baptism,etc...on and on

This from folks who celebrate the following sorts of outrageousness:

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Here's the title:

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Meditations-Mysteries-Rosary-Ferraro/dp/0819801577/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272938246&sr=1-2

And it carries the official sanctions of:

ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.

WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR

Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .

Here they are:

However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.

p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .

p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence

p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"

p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]

p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
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[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]

p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]

5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]

p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"

p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

[Quix]

Only when we find that persons do not know or understand the teachings of the Church do we find persons leaving the Church.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

That is simply brazenly false. We have documented on FR repeatedly a sizeable number of folks who knew the RC Catechism inside and out and taught such for years--who finally were led of God into a closer relationship WITH HIM outside the RCC.

DENIAL of the TRUTH is FARRRRRR from THE TRUTH.

[Quix]

Good points, I think.

[Quix]

Are you suggesting the [early Christian writers] engaged in doubletalk?
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Or is it that their writings [are routinely cherry picked to support RCC hogwash].

DING!
DING!
DING!
We have a winner! BOTH!