Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Does the Gospel of Thomas include descriptions of his travels? It sounds interesting. I’ve just read little chunks of it.
This is true and exactly why the Church has concrete dogmatic teaching even you benefit from.
For example, the dogma of Christ's Divinity at the council of Nicea put an end to error creeping into the Church.The Church ,of course, always believed in Christ's Divinty before Nicea,but NOW the doors are slammed from error entering the Church forever.
Like it or not ,dear sister ,protestantism's idea of solo scripture in NOT concrete or you would have one belief and unity ,not many sects-some who deny the Divinity ,Infant Baptism,etc...on and on
Yup. Where they are most effective.
Only when we find that persons do not know or understand the teachings of the Church do we find persons leaving the Church. Unfortunately, this is rarely entirely the fault of the individuals leaving. Too often it is a failure of the Church to properly catechize but more often it is a failure of the families to avail themselves of the tools and services of the Church deliver on the promises made at Baptism.
I suspect that much of the anti-Catholicism displayed is a misdirected resentment for the perceived abandonment and betrayal by the Church and the remiss family members.
An expected stonewall from an unexpected source.
You're not seriously suggesting that Sola Scriptura requires the Apostolic Tradition and interpretation of the Magisterium by whatever name?
SOME of the tales of "Sister Mary Sadistica" have to be true. And some elderly person who was confirmed in the 1950's said that she really had been told that the ceremonial slap that used to be administered at confirmation would be more than merely ceremonial if a candidate did not answer the bishop's questions correctly.
The number of parents, Sunday School teachers, and even clergy who have perverted the Faith into a device whereby children can be controlled through guilt and fear is shameful. And I think they don't even see that they're doing that.
But it never occurred to me to blame my childish lack of faith on the Episcopal Church as a whole. The preaching, and some of it was good back then, was just drowned out by abusive parents and Sunday School teachers.
One denomination’s interpretation of Scripture is just their interpretation of Scripture.
Every denomination had a statement of faith.
Besides, doctrinal beliefs have changed over the years in the Catholic church itself, so it’s in no position to criticize other denominations having varying interpretations of Scripture from each other.
Are you suggesting the Church Fathers engaged in doubletalk? Or is it that their writings may be cherry picked to support either side?
My friend" the Mad Dawg" :) noted that Jesus only condemned the traditions of MEN
This I am guessing is the appropriate scripture
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
How does one determine if a tradition is of man or God?
Just about anything can be cherry picked to support either side.
A lot of truth in both those books.
So would you then say the ecclesiastical leadership is immune to personal experiences,culture and language? Do they not bring their own doctrinal and personal prejustice with them ?
When reading "the church Fathers" we see differing interpretations of scripture..do you suppose it is not still true today?
truths-small *t*.
But not Truth- capital T.
Some are blessed with vision and wisdom beyond their years. Others must reconcile their pain or emptiness with the emotional tools of children and carry those scars through their adult life.
*** “What is your final authority?” ***The Magisterical, ah, I mean “um”, MagisteriUM, I guess.
I trust God to work through (and often in spite of) the visible Church.
I thought I said I wasn't going to answer that question until later, but maybe I just meant to.
So you trust the ones that make the traditions ..are not they men?
The Pharisees were church leaders as well... and Christ called their traditions the tradition of men..
What assurance do you have that they are correct.. and that these are not just traditions of men in leadership as well?
Of course they are not immune, that is why all three; Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium are needed. Together they insulate one another against intentional and unintentional distortion of the revealed Word.
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