Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
How is one to 'catch' that joy somehow??? Do you not teach that as well??? Why would people NOT leave your religion if they couldn't find out how to get the joy that comes from being a child of God???
The idea that there is no such thing as Sola Scriptura within the Catholic Church is simply not supported by their own doctrine or history. They reinforced this claim at Trent.
ALL of it refers to scripture alone...
Your church fathers read and BELIEVED the scriptures...Those of us who believe in the bible ALONE read and BELIEVE the scriptures...
Those who do not believe in scripture alone are those who DO NOT read and BELIEVE the scriptures...
You can not believe the scriptures and Catholic traditions at the same time...
While the scriptures do not say sola scripture, the scritpures are very clear that the written words of God are the final authority in all matters of faith and practice...
12. ICON TO THE [UN]HOLY FLIP-FLOPS IN WORD MEANINGS AND ARGUMENTS
It’s predictable . . . RC’s have screamed about how important the church ‘Fathers’ are in determining dogma etc. So we show them Sola Scriptura in many writings of many church ‘Fathers.’
THEN they scream about where is it in Scripture. We’ve showed them repeatedly where it is in Scripture. They refuse to acknowledge God’s repeated emphasis of such IN SCRIPTURE as documented below.
GOD IS NOT FOOLED. HE KNOWS WHAT HE WAS EMPHASIZING regardless of how many of whatever pretended RELIGIOUS RANK, prefer to look the other way.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:7
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 11:9-11 (King James Version)
9But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Matthew 26:24
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Matthew 26:31
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Mark 1:2
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mark 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mark 9:13
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Mark 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mark 14:21
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mark 14:27
And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
Luke 2:23
(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
20.Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 7:27
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Since they indeed make that distinction for the ancient writings, they would be hard pressed to justify mere word of mouth tradition as being infallible.
If the ancient writings that are considered fallible are not held to the level of infallible Scripture, then tradition ought to be under even more scrutiny. It seriously ought to be held to a much higher level of proof. That done, the best that they could reasonably expect is that oral tradition could only rise to the level of that of the fallible wirtings and not the infallible.
Which would be engaging in deceit. Not possible for someone who is considered sinless.
If that’s the case, then Joseph ought to be venerated more than Mary, that he’d be willing to live like that his entire married life.
The Church Fathers were not solo Scripture alone and DID NOT reject TRADITION.They were Church alone in the understanding of Scripture and TRADITION
Here is just a few examples from some of the same Church Fathers RN -7 posted....
“But what is also to the point, let us note that the very TRADITION, teaching and faith of the CATHOLIC CHURCH from the beginning, WHICH THE LORD GAVE, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian.”
St. Athanasius, Letters to Serapion of Thmuis, 1,28, 359 A.D
Saint Irenaeus
“Those, therefore, who desert the PREACHING OF THE CHURCH, call in question the knowledge of the holy presbyters, not taking into consideration of how much greater consequence is a religious man, even in a private station, than a blasphemous and impudent sophist. Now, such are all the heretics, and those who imagine that they have hit upon something more beyond the truth, so that by following those things already mentioned, proceeding on their way variously, in harmoniously, and foolishly, not keeping always to the same opinions with regard to the same things, as blind men are led by the blind, they shall deservedly fall into the ditch of ignorance lying in their path, ever seeking and never finding out the truth. It behooves us, therefore, to avoid their doctrines, and to take careful heed lest we suffer any injury from them; but to FLEE TO THE CHURCH, and be brought up in her bosom, and be nourished with the Lord’s Scriptures.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 5,20:2 (A.D. 180)
Saint Gregory of Nyssa
“[S]eeing, I say, that the CHURCH teaches this in plain language, that the Only-begotten is essentially God, very God of the essence of the very God, how ought one who opposes her decisions to overthrow the preconceived opinion... And let no one interrupt me, by saying that what we confess should also be confirmed by constructive reasoning: for it is enough for proof of our statement, that the TRADITION has come down to us from our Fathers, handled on, like some inheritance, by succession from the apostles and the saints who came after them.” Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius, 4:6 (c. A.D. 384).
Saint Ambrose
“Wherefore all other generations are strangers to truth; all the generations of heretics hold not the truth: the CHURCH ALONE, with pious affection, is in possession of the truth.” Ambrose, Commentary of Psalm 118,19 (A.D. 388).
Saint Augustine
“Let us not hear, this I say, this you say; but thus says the Lord. Surely it is the books of the Lord on whose authority we both agree and which we both believe. There let us seek the Church, there let us discuss our case.” He goes on: “Neither dare one agree with catholic bishops if by chance they err in anything, with the result that their opinion is against the canonical Scriptures of God.” -
Augustine (”De unitate ecclesiae”, [on the Unity of the Church]3)
“But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture BUT FROM TRADITION, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept either by the Apostles themselves or by plenary COUNCILS, THE AUTHORITY OF WHICH IS QUITE VITAL TO THE CHURCH.”-Letter of Augustine to Januarius 54,1,1, 400 A.D.
Saint Jerome
“My resolution is, to read the ancients, to try everything, to hold fast what is good, and not to recede from the faith of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.” Jerome, To Minervius & Alexander, Epistle 119 (A.D. 406).
Saint Basil
“Now I accept no newer creed written for me by other men, nor do I venture to propound the outcome of MY OWN intelligence, lest I make the words of true religion merely human words; but what I have been taught by the holy Fathers, that I announce to all who question me. In my CHURCH the creed written by the holy Fathers in synod at Nicea is in use.” Basil, To the Church of Antioch, Epistle 140:2 (A.D. 373).
I can post many,many more like this.
Thanks for demonstrating yet another duplicitous
STATION OF THE STATIONS OF THE WHITE HANKY
Every protestant group or individual protestant claims the same thing ,yet each of you have an UN-united doctrine of solo scripture with many beliefs that don't agree with each other.
Which proves that Scripture outside of the Church breeds disunity.
Darn!I missed it. What did FR Corapi say that pertains to the coincedence?
The Church Fathers read the Scriptures and interpreted them in union with the Church,not like the reformers did,like it or not,quix. Even when the Church Fathers had different ideas on Scripture they still humbly submitted to the Authority of the Church in the end.
I don’t know what’s duplicitous about any of this. RN’s selection of quotes is very good and helpful AS IS STFA’s.
It is fun to SAY” duplicitous.”
duplicitous duplicitous duplicitous
I bet “duplicious” would be even more fun. Too bad it’s not a word.
Clearly, the modern way of thinking of reliance on Scripture is different from the way of the “Fathers’.
Nope not one reverence to sola scriptura in any of those quotes not one. You sir are delusional.
You left quix out of the ping,dear brother.Duplicitous was quix’s word
AS UNTO THE LORD
If you have not already read it, you MUST read Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. Make it your Xmas present to your self, or allow me to give it to you. The scene where "Christian" encounters the crucified Lord is wonderful.
And I mention this because it encourages me to think of giving as "shedding."
What a wonderful Lord, when obeying Him is casting off burdens!
??? Sincerely F*****-up Syndrome? I'm not sure of the reference.
So are you now saying the other books of the OT are not the word of God?
The Jews are spiritually blind.. they do not see Christ.. who is revealed in all those books..
Anti Semitic, too? In that case, I am not too put out that you have renounced your Catholicism.
The travels of St. Thomas to India and the establishment of Christianity on its west coast. Was St. Thomas scripturally established as an evangelist to the Gentiles in India?
And? Apparently God did not think it something that was necessary for us the know that to be saved..
So do you think the gospel of Thomas is scripture?
We were discussing that extent of sola scriptura beliefs that are actually non scriptural. St. Thomas' story is one of the many. To the extent that the sola crowd actually deigns to address all of their non scriptural beliefs.
Darn! I especially meant to include Quix. I’m losing my mind, evidently.
No great loss.
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