Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
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First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
You hide it well.
I am anti false doctrine
Yet you follow the false god Calvin. How do you reconcile these? Catholic or Mormon or JW ..
Calvinism has far more in common with the LDS than Catholicism does. Study it for yourself and see.
Yup. And some wear Clerical garb.
A good analysis.
And that’s cowardly.
Agreed. For those who prate about their Christianity, they are very loathe to prate about their particular cult. I wonder why.
Then, there are the non-denominationals. They have no set beliefs, claim to be solas, but are so chaotic there is no chance for a dialogue.
Since their theology came from what they picked out of the navel or from between their teeth this morning, what sort of dialogue, what might one expect?
Each person brings to the study and reception of the Revealed Word of God the filters of personal experience, culture, and language. The meanings of words change over time. A document as brief and recent as the Constitution is constantly under attack by those who would revise it by changing the meaning of the words used. Even parables change over time. How then did God ensure that the message of his Revealed Word was to remain timeless?
God is the architect of human nature and understands it perfectly. Pride, individualism, vanity, prejudice, and even hatred influence how we interpret the Revealed Word. To counter balance these influences and to maintain the fidelity of His Word God implemented a trinity of Revelation; Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Tradition, and the Magisterium. They represent the harmony and completeness of the Word. All three are required to preserve and convey the message, individually they are flawed and subject to intentional and unintentional perversion by human nature. Doctrines based on only one of the three are an amplification of the limitations of each.
Put down the remote control and get out of the LaZBoy Throne and into Christianity, and it will not be beyond you.
Did Mom already swim the Tiber to the other side? Millions have.
Sir, I must protest this against friend Quix. He is obviously not delusional. He is Pentecostal, which, at first glance, may make make no difference whatsoever. Nor the second glance...
Yup. And some wear Clerical garb.
The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops...
Correct in both statements. There are lemmings everywhere.
Don't be so hard on Sweet Judith.
Did you read my post? Did you read the part where I wrote
This, of course, cannot be anything like an argument or 'proof' about this or that side is right. But I mention all this to say that it is completely clear from the Friar,the 'testimony', the remarks of others in the group, that it was all about "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME."
Do you see that that is an explicit denial of offering the testimony as any kind of proof of the rightness or wrongness of a particular point of view?
Do you get that I explicitly said that I adduced this to provide evidence that, for SOME Catholics at least, the Catholic faith is precisely about, as you say, believing in "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME.
Did you read the one where I denied saying, implying, or thinking that salvation is a feeling?
Communication is difficult. It is a two way street. I like to think of the way we used to give and receive orders on large sailboats or those crackly radio transmissions in the old war movies.
When the skipper gives a command, the crew repeats it back to him as they go to execute it, to make sure communication was successful. In a storm or in a race there's no room for "I thought you said ...". And in radio transmission there's little use in saying "I copy," if you don't say WHAT you 'copy', to make sure that you received what the other person MEANT to transmit.
So in this case you spoke of leaving the Catholic Church because you came to believe "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME." (For which, Alleluia!)
So the implied contrast was that Catholicism is about something other than "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME."
Therefore the burden I had was to demonstrate, to the extent it could be truthfully done, that there were Catholics for whom their intention and experience as Catholics was about "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME." So I proceeded to adduce incidents.
Not only did I not imply that "Salvation is a feeling," I expressly denied it. Not only did I not imply that because our "witness" had an experience therefore we are right, I expressly stated the incompetence of that testimony to show that conclusion.
And yet, in what appears to be an attempt to respond to my post, you, without argument but only with declaration, drive home some points that I had already expressly conceded!
What is the point? I just don't get it. It reminds me of talking to some physicians: they firmly answer some question I did not ask and resolutely ignore the questions I do ask. They do not hear what I report, they tell me how I feel. When that happens, I go find a new doctor. Where there is no evidence of communication, soon communication ceases.
Yeah, hundreds of years after the fact.
Look at what’s happened to the interpretation of our Constitution in just a couple hundred years. Two hundred years may be closer in time than 2,000 but it’s irrelevant. They could have just as much error in that time than in more time elapsing..
Proximity in time does not guarantee proximity in truth. Error can creep in within just a few generations.
That’s why the basis for determining truth is the Word of God, not time passage.
Color me not impressed.
Fortunately sanctity isn't about comparisons.
You are so concerned with preserving your doctrine of literalism that you are willing to tarnish the miracle that was creation, by perpetuating fairy tales and allegory. Isn't THAT God created everything enough for you?
When your eyes water up, you must pause to take a deep breath, and you begin to lose interest it's time to force a paragraph.
This old man gave up and I suspect, so did many others.
It’s a simple as ... If you want to learn the things of God, His Kingdom, The Truth - you go to His Word. If you feel someone else knows better than God, go to them. There isn’t a shortage of people deceived.
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it”. Matt 7:13
“But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it”. Matt 7:14
You have it backwards my friend. She was turned toward Jesus.
No matter in which direction the Tiber is swum if the swimmer finds Jesus on the other side they have done the swimming in the right direction. (Unitarian perspective.)
No you're not.I call it clutter - I sweep it clean once and awhile by spending less time on FR
I have always (where "always" means "since 1974" when I wrote an essay about it) considered, "What must I do to be saved?" to be a very delicate question. I think "How is one to 'catch' that joy?" falls in that class. It suggests that the joy depends on something done by the beloved. And that sure sounds like "works righteousness" to me.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, right? when allowed, I try to put it out there, chumming the waters, so to speak. The same grace which opens the ears of my hearers will tell them what the next step is.
When, in the summer of 1976 I ran a "beach ministry" on the Gulf Coast (last time I had a good tan, last time I got to use my first aid training -- well, except for the guy I Heimliched -- who did NOT thank me; he was angry!) I had a running joke with the guys who ran the "Jesus is Lord Surf Shop" (No kidding!)
They'd ask, "How many people did you save today?" and I'd answer, "I don't save people. GOD saves people."
I know my place, sometimes. It is to be forgotten. He must increase; and I must decrease. If I increase at all, I blew it.
You're not seriously suggesting that the early Church Fathers didn't teach "Sola Scriptura", by whatever name?
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