Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Show me the scripture, Catholic priests defending the priesthood and apostolic succession means not one thing..
Show us where Jesus gave instructions, permission or authority to the apostles to pass on the gifts and authority He gave to them for the founding of the church
The fact that the only record of apostolic succession comes not from the infallible word of God but from Catholics says a lot about it.. Jesus never authorized it..it is a man made doctrine not God made.. There is no priesthood allowed for in the New Testament church, no apostolic succession taught and no pope..
> “What is the Good News? What are the glad tidings?”
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I know, lemmie answer!
You get to go to a seance where a preeest conjurs up jesus in a cookie, and you can pray to Ishtar and hold some nifty beads.
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You really don't know? Start with Matthew 1 and work your way through to John 21. You've been exposed to significant Catholic doctrine on these threads. if that is insufficient, then the Gospels and the Catechism ought to be able to prove sufficient.
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> Ignatius of Antioch (AD 35 to 108)
“Now, therefore, it has been my privilege to see you in the person of your God-inspired bishop, Damas; and in the persons of your worthy presbyters, Bassus and Apollonius; and my fellow-servant, the deacon, Zotion. What a delight is his company! For he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ” (Letter to the Magnesians 2 [A.D. 110]).
“In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him” (ibid., 3:1–2).
“He that is within the sanctuary is pure; but he that is outside the sanctuary is not pure. In other words, anyone who acts without the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons does not have a clear conscience”
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I didn’t realize until reading this that Ignatius was a lost soul.
What a sad testimony!
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No priesthood there.. Like my church, he speaks of the elders , the presbyters and deacons..No priest there..
I hope that every believer follows in the footsteps of those that have gone before, that followed Christ
Show us the words of Christ on this
Umm, that was different since the Reformed Holy Spirit worke up from a nap and waved his Reformed wand to make it happen, then fell back to sleep and didn't wake up until the 16th Century because of, umm, some God things that we men are not meant to know. Yeah...
Yes, and that Holy Spirit lead enterprise was and is the Catholic Church. Even though it was in its infancy and lacked some of the structure and richness of the Tradition that was still forming, the unbroken chain of Apostolic Succession is alive, vibrant, and infinitely verifiable to those willing to see.
> “I didn’t think you would pray with me with or without the reference to Mary.”
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I pray hundreds of times each day, and have never prayed to any but to the Father as Jesus instructed, in his name. (That means by his authority; we have never been granted any other authority to pray to others)
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Oh, I’m sorry. I was sure you had to be joking. Evidently not. Well, we have no common basis to converse, when you ask a question like, “o really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?” No Catholic has ever said that, so the conjecture is that you pulled it out of the air.
Are you asking how Catholics understand it -- or asking in the spirit of the college student who wants to know about everythng, "Is this going to be on the final?"
What is sad is that they cling to a man made doctrine and try to convince us that the Greek language is very clear.. presbyters are not priests and priests are not presbyters... There no priesthood in the NT church that God designed ..no more sacrifices for sin, Jesus was the final sacrifice and the final priest....
It's pervasive throughout the NT and foreshadowed in the OT -- for those who have the eyes to see and ears to hear!
I suspect the Harpy Sisters have all been to the same web page today.
that’s name calling and against the rules
Actually I do not see much difference in being married by a Hindu priestess or a catholic priest..
One can move his bed into garage and say BEEP BEEP..that does not make him a car
Being raised in a church OR going to church every single day, never saved anyone.. saying a formula prayer never saved anyone..
One is saved by the mercy and grace of God ..not of works lest any man boast
Oh, really? Kind of like Quix and his “Rabid Clique”? Or one of his many other epithets which he, without naming anyone, used to denigrate specific Catholics? Do you think we were all born yesterday?
You have beaten that horse to death. Show me the scripture that says that Scripture alone is to be the only
You have beaten that horse to death. Show me the scripture that says that Scripture alone is to be the only source for the revealed Word of God. Until you can do that I don't think anyone other than the devoted anti-Catholics are going to pay you anymind when you either demand answers or offer Scriptural "proof".
You are far too kind... :)
They know that the letters of Ignatius are spurious but they use them anyway as a major authority for their Christianism...
I'm not so sure about the condos... according to Jesse DuPlantis the grass in heaven is awesome.
OOOOOOH!
The "grass"... NOW I get it.
Pentecostalism makes a whole lot more sense now.
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