Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
At least we don’t get treated like the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses around here! :-/
Sorry, I forgot to ping you.
It's based on asking RC's, such as yourself, the question that all Evangelical Christians love to give the answer to at the first opportunity.
Do you know The Gospel?
When asked the response you gave was the gospels are the first four books of the NT.
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Why should it concern me. My Brothers and Sisters in Christ know me and respect me.
I've been blessed to be in the situation where I could explain The Gospel to unbelievers and there's always some lost soul that wants to mock me, but if just one hears The Gospel and is Born Again it's worth it.
The Gospels are the foundation of Catholic dogma.
But yet when given the opportunity RC's can't preach The Gospel.
Fact? How can that be a known fact?
Is it your position now that zero is the correct amount of scripture that should be read in Church?
In post 11346 you said, So really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?
In post 11347, I asked you, Where did Christ say that?
Now, you apparently want to change the subject, to a different question, “Matt 25 Is continually quoted to us as the Gospel. If read literally, salvation is a reward for those who help the needy. Is that the Gospel for Catholics?
So, why are you changing the question, without answering mine? I’m not playing games with any of you. So, perhaps we could go chronologically, and you answer the question instead of changing it. Where did Christ say that?
We have come full circle. You are completely wrapped up in the bibliatry of the words of Scripture and have ignored the Word. Catholics don't so much preach the words as they live the WORD.
Christianity is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "WORD" of God, a word which is not a written and mute word, but the Word which was and is incarnate and living. Our call to salvation is not a challenge for oration, it is a call to live the two greatest commandments and the examples, the Beatitudes given us by the Word Incarnate, Jesus Christ.
Which recension is authentic, the long, mid, or short?
If you read Scripture on your own Roms 10:9, or ICor 15:1-4 will teach you The Gospel.
Let us put it in juxtaposition with:
What else would you call a group of people who believe custom is equal to or greater than the inerrant Word of God?
The Word of God is Jesus (see John 1). You guys don't preach Jesus - you preach five verses of Paul, with another couple dozen snippets of Paul to back them up and another dozen snippets of Isaiah to back them up. How can you call yourself Christians if there is no Christ in your Christianity, and you spurn the Gospels for out of context Paul and Isaiah?
They will tell you they were never really married...lol. That's how they rationalize Protestant apostates: they were never regenerated (because the "saved" ones persevere), they never really believed.
See, J, Protestantism is a man-made religion tailord to man's nature. It's meant to be easy. All you "do" is accept Christ as your Savior and everything is paid for. You get a limo ride to a heavenly, gated, condo community.
What you do in this life, no matter how bad, is already "paid for," so if you misbehave it's don't worry—you can lie, cheat and steal, even murder, rape and pillage and you are still "saved." It's so tailored to human nature that it's a real miracle the whole world isn't Protestant!
Maybe, but I wouldn't hang my hat on either of those wobbly pegs.
I must say that I agree with you, over the several years I've been posting here and have seen your postings. You have made no claims and therefore have nothing to defend.
I hear you. I have seen Eastern Orthodox Christians bow at the mention of the Blessed Mother, something the Orthodox normally do only for God, but laity was always a little gnostic and a little idolatrous, along with being a little supersititous and unlearned in theology. But the Church, at least since the time it figured out what she believed in, circa the 4th century, has not taught or tolerated anything a little gnostic.
Excellent! You are on the right path. Now just apply this talent to biblical manuscripts for another bubble to burst.
I can take liberties too.
You mean the same scripture collected by the same "bunch of fools" who selected them based on their faith?
may as well quit spamming me I dont read your posts
In post 11346 you said, So really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?In post 11347, I asked you, Where did Christ say that?
Now, you apparently want to change the subject, to a different question, “Matt 25 Is continually quoted to us as the Gospel. If read literally, salvation is a reward for those who help the needy. Is that the Gospel for Catholics?
So, why are you changing the question, without answering mine? I’m not playing games with any of you. So, perhaps we could go chronologically, and you answer the question instead of changing it. Where did Christ say that?
So you want me to answer your question first?
Hmmmm, I asked my question first, in post 11346 as you have shown. I think you changed the subject by asking another question instead of answering my initial question.
Again my initial question was "So really anyone can get to heaven by just living the Golden rule of Matt 25, correct?"
Nope, their foolishness didn't emerge until later.
The Scriptures were well established by 150 AD the only controversies were concerning the last few books. We've gone over this numerous times and it really is misleading to imply that the Canon was formed by the RCC. The RCC didn't make any official declaration until Trent. The EO were a lot quicker to declare what they believed the Canon to be, but even then it was more than 200 years after the fact.
Why not just admit what everyone who looks at this topic already knows. The Holy Spirit led the first generation of Christians following the end of the Apostolic Era to compile the Canon.
Follow the commands of Christ and the catechism of the Church and you should have no problem upon your Judgement.
What will Christ's Judgement be based on?
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