Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Sure there is hope for all of us. The young man was sincere as a teen. What happened to him DEFIES what the Protestants claim is possible. HE WALKED AWAY. It happens all the time. It’s easy to claim that he didn’t mean it at the time. Do you know divorced people? Did they marry with the intention of divorcing?
According you the Protestant theory it doesn’t matter what he does. He had his altar call over half of his life ago, he’s good to go no matter how he acts, his choices now are meaningless, he has a hall pass.
We actually think we have to MAKE the effort, to SEEK to do God’s will on a daily basis. To put aside our own will EVERY DAY. We don’t believe in switchin’ to glide.
The subject was Bible study and the understanding that comes with that study.
And MD veered off into the fact that the real goal for the RC is not understanding God’s word, but something material in return, i.e. an indulgence. Time off for good behavior.
However, his accent was strong, and it came out, "Your face must be full of noses."
Make of it what you will.
Seriously, I would say in general that many heresies are small deviations which, carried out, lead to disaster. There is a way in which the Son is subordinate to the Father, but it is not the Arian way. There is a way in which our faith is indeed full of gnosis, but it is not the gnostic way. Etc.
I must be dense, because I still don't get how what you're claiming is different from how I read it. I'm going to take a wild guess, therefore, and ask if what you're really trying to say is this:
We read from various books of the Bible in its entirety (i.e. from a Bible that includes the Apocryphal books), rather than from an excerpt (i.e. from a Bible that does not include the Apocryphal books)If that's what you're trying to say, the way you actually stated it is incorrect and completely alters the actual meaning. Given an earlier exchange between us, where you pointed me to a Polish language webpage, I'm guessing the failure can be explained by English not being your primary written language.
As I've demonstrated, Apocrypha or not, you're still reading excerpts. Your Lectionary doesn't lie. The Catholic Lectionary calls for reading excerpts from the "Bible in its entirety". And prior to 2008, the Catholic Lectionary skipped the entire OT. And you want to talk about excerpting the text?
I'm really having trouble with this Catholic definition of "entirety". Even optimistically speaking, your Catholic glass isn't half-full, it's three-quarters empty. What good is having a "non-excerpted" Bible if you still don't read all of it?
Now there's a visual.
That’s a tad longer than the 1000 years.
What is your explanation for different people reading the exact same passages of the Bible and reaching different conclusions? Is the Holy Spirit being honest with some and lying to others?
Why do all Christian bookstores sell multiple Bible study books that reach different conclusions? Is the Holy Spirit tricking the publishers and store owners into offering the truth along with various lies?
And MD veered off into the fact that the real goal for the RC is not understanding God’s word, but something material in return, i.e. an indulgence.
When our Lord spoke of "treasures in Heaven" was He lying to us?
There is a double-bind here: If we adduce a few texts, we are told the evidence is insufficient. If we adduce many texts, we are told we are deluging the question.
Do you really think there is a book? Why would God need a book since he is omniscient? In any event, books were state of the art technology 2000 years ago, but surely God would have access to far better technology were he to need it. Maybe your literalist understanding is a little too limited because of your limitations, not God's.
You don’t understand: to take Dr. E. is to change the subject.
Shaken down, pressed together, running over! ;-)
The cruel deity of the other side is generous in tribulation.
So are Muslims and you can't get much more antisemitic than that.
My point was that being untruthful ought to be against the FR RF rules, but that would put the morbidly anti-Catholics out of business.
Wrong. The subject was different. You made a statement about Catholics not reading the Bible, and about Catholic religious authorities discouraging Bible-reading. You were proven wrong. You then stated that was "tit for tat" because the Catholic encouragement to read the Bible had an indulgence attached. Now, answer my question.
lol, all your hearsay anecdotes involve Baptists, how about something different once in a while. Or if you like, I will find some Charismatic Catholic ones for you
Or a bent crosier.
I'm sorry your church teaches this. It seems to be the standard response from RC's. If you read Scripture on your own Roms 10:9, or ICor 15:1-4 will teach you The Gospel.
And those who get and believe Calvin's systematic theology have "ears to hear."
ROFLOL, I need more coffee
Let's be serious, the "subject" of this thread was bashing Catholics and bashing Catholics means that the following subjects are ALWAYS covered:
1. Saint Peter, the Papacy and Apostolic Succession
2. The priesthood
3. Purgatory
4. Salvation
5. The Mass (especially the Holy Eucharist)
6. The Blessed Virgin Mary
7. The Reformation and supposed injustices to non-Catholics
To this end, The Reformed® operate under the false notion that ALL Protestants believe exactly as they do and any mention that many Protestants hold beliefs that are far more similar to what Catholics believe than they are to what The Reformed® believe is to be ignored.
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