Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Well, I assume you’re awake now. Why did Jesus speak in parables?
Our priests and deacons say that all the time. So do the priests at the chapel downtown. I have NEVER heard the clergy say not to read the bible. I have heard protestants tell us that we don’t.
Yes, you have to read the New Testament — which is what is done each day in Church at mass.And, of course, to put YOPIOS on my text leads to a false interpretation of the "bible read in it's entirety at mass each day". To come to the erroneous conclusion we read the entire Bible each Sunday instead of my text which clearly points out we read from the various books of the Bible (OT, Epistles, Gospels) in their entirety rather than in excerpts. Just like the errors sola scriptura folks make in scripture, these all derive from excerpted reading and misinterpretation.
We read from the New Testament each day in mass
And, unlike some of your groupings, we read the NT, OT in their entirety
We read The Bible in it's entirety, not excerpts
— we read the Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation, we read psalms, the Pentateuch etc. all in mass
If you ever attend Sunday mass, you will hear the singing of psalms, the readings from the Old Testament, the New Testament (Epistles, Revelation etc) and the Gospel. we read all of these during mass -- from the entire Bible, not excerpts, not focusing just on the epistles, but showing how the OT points to the Gospels and the Epistles point BACK to the Gospels, since the Gospels are the CRUX of the NT
—> we, Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church ARE the New Testament Church. This is evidenced in the reading of Acts, in the writings of First Century Christians (Didache, +Ireneus etc).
This is plainly obvious to anyone reading Early Christian text that the practises of the Early Christians, from the mass with the Eucharist to the apostolic succession etc. is the basis of Church tradition -- not only of the Catholic churches but also of our Oriental and Assyrian brethern who have been separated from us for centuries, a lot of the time by distance and hostile nations.
Can’t win for losing.
And that would be why the apostles asked for an explanation. M’kay.
God has saved far worse.
None of us knows “the state of his salvation” because none of us knows where his heart will be when he comes to the end of his days, be that at the time of his honeymoon or his great grandson’s honeymoon.
Did you ever read the life of Augustine?
There’s hope for all of us.
And what explanation did Christ give them?
Christ’s sheep will not walk away. He has promised not to let go of them.
It’s a real shame Roman Catholics don’t have that assurance.
You said:
I’d really like to see some Roman Catholic “authority” urging RCs to open up their Bibles at home and read them.
So I showed you precisely what you asked and said you'd like to see.
As predicted somehow the promised joy did not materialize. Instead we got the unwarranted implication that I was somehow 'proud."
And, just as the first remark was tendentious, implying, with characteristic lack of 'truthiness' that no 'Roman Catholic “authority” ' had already repeatedly urged Catholics "to open up their Bibles at home and read them," so the granting of your request is met with a typical and predictable mischaracterization of indulgences.
Enjoy your triumph, what there is of it.
Good grief! I suggest that we are all a bit bored with your interrogation. If you think we haven’t read Matthew 13, 10-15, then just say so. But stop with the endless questions to Catholics about the parables. You’ve demanded answers from Jaded, D-fendr, and me multiple times, and in spite of receiving answers, have continued to demand ever more answers.
Do you think you have eyes to see?
And Khrushchev went to Disneyland but that didn't make him a Mouseketeer.
The difference between the gnostic "divine spark" and Paul's specific, individual and personal indwelling Holy Spirit is the difference between night and day.
Christianity came first. The Gnostics tried to co-op it. It wasn't the other way around.
Evidently the deity of their religion was musing, or had gone aside, or was on a journey, or perhaps sleeping and needed to be awakened. In any event the gates of the Ho' of Bab'lon prevailed against the true believers for almost a millennium and a half.
Barter. Exchange. Tit for tat.
God is not the problem, we are.
I think we are asked to consider that if we find a scrap of papyrus with the note "Publius owes Quintus 5 drachmas for a dairy cow," it can have determinative authority in determining the price of milch cows in the first century.
But a scrap saying, "Linus, bishop of Rome, joined us at the house of Horatius and we celebrated the mystery in which the Lord was present under the forms of bread and wine," since it is not 'inspired', it is of no authority whatsoever in determining the thought and practice of the first century Church.
But, Cronos, thank you for your harvest of sources. It's very helpful and has earned the precious "bookmark" with oak leaf clusters.
Explain how that is changing the subject.
What a blatant distortion and misrepresentation of what cronos actually posted. Cronos said we read the entire Bible in the mass, not the entire Bible in a single mass.
They did make appearances from time to time. St. Patrick was actually a Baptist and a big fan of sola scriptura, the fact that the Irish people at the time had NO WRITTEN written language (it would be impossible to translate the Bible into runes) is to be ignored.
The YOPIOS crowd is reluctant to address the FACT that without widespread literacy and the means to mass-produce Bibles, what they call Christianity COULD NOT HAVE EXISTED prior to the invention of the printing press in the 15th century. The notion that the Church somehow "suppressed" the Bible by not translating the Vulgate into other languages is really no different from the claims that not translating Shakespeare into Ebonics is "suppressing" Blacks. The REALITY is that EVERYONE who was literate could read Latin long after the Bible was translated, the reality of "lingua franca" is entirely lost on this group.
Evidently the deity of their religion was musing, or had gone aside, or was on a journey, or perhaps sleeping and needed to be awakened. In any event the gates of the Ho' of Bab'lon prevailed against the true believers for almost a millennium and a half.
The conception of a deity that some of these so-called Christians have is basically a passive-agressive, though incredibly sadistic, version of the deity that Islamofascists believe in. Calvinist "heaven" is a lot like Muhammed's "paradise" minus the hookers and open bar; the only real difference is that while the Islamofascist believes killing non-believers is the price of admission, hyper-Calvinists believe that sadistically mocking Christians is proof of winning a cosmic lottery.
It has sometimes been understood too much information strangles the issue....it is also a tactic used to devert away from the central issue. These are just way too much for the time required to digest...it’ like a banquet table hit with a tornado Cronos. Can’t you simply your point here just a bit?
I am sure you have a perfect little ambush all planned out and you have dangled the bait multiple times, but no one is falling for it. Why don't you just come out and say what you are apparently dying to say instead of trying to leverage it into a gotcha moment that you can wave around like bloody menstrual rags.
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