Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Baloney. Two of his examples, which by the way you asserted, but could not prove, were provided by 1000S from his own posts.
Furthermore, I have no homework, you are not my instructor, and you have no authority on this thread.
No it is a matter of truth and if dogma is not built on truth it is a lie..
There was no provision for a priesthood in the NT church..The priesthood was a prefigurement of Christ , a type of Christ.. Once Christ sacrificed HIMSELF, the perfect lamb..there was no longer any need for the priesthood, or sacrifices..there was no more sacrifice for sin .
God put an exclamation mark on that when He destroyed the Jewish priesthood in 70 AD..before the Roman church revived it a couple hundred years later..
Is there a connection there? Moving to be near the Greek Orthodox Cathedral of the Annunciation? Living near the Cathedral so it's handy to be Greek Orthodox? ;-)
Is she looking to take some courses at the Hellenic College? It's in Brookline, but Brookline is surrounded on almost 3 sides by Boston!
Hmm. What's your take on the pogroms?
That sometimes they are ordained of God, for His purposes.. want ta talk some scripture here”
Sometimes? Or all the time?
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Back up and read the passage completely - as I posted previously and you posted partially before. This is not election, unless you pair it with Chapter 12 and the teaching of election for all. Remember that He is hinting at divinity here, but they don't get that - they are thinking of him as a messenger sent by God - an angel or a super David, perhaps and when He tells them that no one can to Him unless it is granted, they are presented with the claim that this carpenter's son is now claiming to be a messenger favoured of God. He is claiming special privileges that they also reject. The cannibalism scenario got them ready to go; this finished it.
Remember too, that Jesus does not tell anyone of His Divinity until John 8. He's breaking them in slowly and it is too much still for many of them.
What was their former way of life Mark? THE LAW ..salvation by the law.. .... they liked being in charge of their own salvation... men hate to have to let God be God. Just like eve, they want a piece of the divine action ...
Matthew 25 says differently in three different parables.
Revelation 20: 11 9 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them. 12 I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. 10 The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls. 13 The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades 11 gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. (This pool of fire is the second death. 12 ) 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
John says that as a result of our deeds, we will all be Judged according to our deeds and if the Judge does not write our name in the Book of Life, we will be thrown into the pool of fire.
Romans 14: 9 For this is why Christ died and came to life, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 Why then do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." 12 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God).
Why do we all give accounts of ourselves?
Matthew 12: 36 25 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will render an account for every careless word they speak. 37 By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Condemned. Not a lessening of rewards in Heaven (find the justification for THAT particular belief if you can), not some fictitious seating arrangement in the stadium of Heaven. Condemned. The Law exists - Jesus has modified it to include the Beatitudes and the Two Great Commandments of Christ. Unless you do not believe that they apply to the Reformed...
Thank you kindly.
Is there a particular pogrom you have in mind as “ordained of God, for His purposes” or a general set of criteria or circumstances, locations? Cordoba, Russia..?
How bizarre can a statement become? GOD destroyed the Jewish priesthood in 70AD? The Roman Church revived the Jewish priesthood a couple hundred years later?
Mark 13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
What would this lead you to conclude about the pogroms? Ordained but more or less direct in purpose? And on what basis or criteria would a more and less "direct in purpose" distinction be made?
Directly they destroyed forever the jewish priesthood forever.. this like all events are for the Glory of God
Ahh Bizarre but true.. God destroyed the temple, the animal sacrifices, and the jewish priesthood.. funny huh, that Rome destroyed the temple and the Jewish priesthood forever.. and then the same pagan Rome brought the priesthood and sacrifices back ....
Well which is it? God, or "they"?
I mean, in 11102 you state: "God put an exclamation mark on that when He destroyed the Jewish priesthood in 70 AD..before the Roman church revived it a couple hundred years later.."
Now it's "Directly they destroyed forever the jewish priesthood forever.. this like all events are for the Glory of God"
That just doesn't make sense. Especially it doesn't make sense that because Christ was the Lamb of God, after His death and resurrection, there was no more need for a Jewish High Priest. The Jews still have the Levitic line.
How is it that you presume to tell the future? Are you anti-Jewish as well as anti-Catholic?
The Jews had become corrupt, the priesthood corrupt and the jews divided into sects..
The prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled.. The Roman soldiers tore the temple down brick by brick for gold.. there was not one stone left.. only what today stands as a reminder.. the wailing wall
1Sa 2:6 — The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
Blessed be the name of the Lord! .
No. Is it your belief that God’s chosen people are post toasties now? What about when Jesus Christ himself said:
Matthew 5
The Fulfillment of the Law
17”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Christ came for the Jewish people not the Christians. Are Calvinists as a matter of doctrine, anti-semites? Don’t take that to be hateful toward you personally. If/do you(collectively) think that God disowned the Jews? My Catholic faith tells me that we (gentiles) are in addition to the Jews not instead of.
If it is doctrinally believed that God abandoned the Jews then the once saved always saved or elect status is not true.
Another story to be mocked for. I have a friend who is non-denominational. I told her that you could e-mail prayers to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. She wanted to know why on earth you’d ask Jews to pray for you.
My mom always made us hug each other. :-/
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