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The fight over Book of Mormon geography
Mormon Times ^ | May 27, 2010 | Michael DeGroote

Posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:33 AM PDT by Colofornian

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Flying Inman Remembrance Day Placemarker

...dedicated to the freedom of those who are
currently enslaved to mormonism and other
American cults.


541 posted on 05/30/2010 11:56:02 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; FastCoyote; ...
I think that we have noticed the increased activity of the Enemy just lately, have we not?

The need for protective prayer is increasing also.

542 posted on 05/30/2010 11:57:47 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Illegal-alien immunity builds on sanctuary cities, which shield illegals from federal law)
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To: greyfoxx39

Agreed.


543 posted on 05/30/2010 12:03:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

he had asked to give a presentation on the LDS church and the pastor (Mark) said NO
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At a Christian Church ???

what arrogance...

Thank God your pastor said NO...

God Bless that good Christian man...

Do any Christian pastors get to come in and “give a presentation on Christianity” in the SCL temple ???


544 posted on 05/30/2010 12:16:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Utah Binger

The best part about sadness of losing your parents and the sweetness of this day of remembrance is that now they are gone to that great beyond and they now know the truth about Mormonism. SWEET!

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Well I think those who pass on will find out how displease the Lord is with one messing with anothers free agency.

Some how one is not thinking right when they try to force another to conform to their will.

When one ponders they should realized it is not the Lord will but their will they were enforce and might have been because of pride.

I love the Church for the Lord has taught me and because I feel the patience and love of the Lord it something with in me wants to do all I can to do His will.

It was my choice and I never felt pressure.

This is something I find that when I was in the mainstream one was threathen if you don’t do this or that you are going to hell!

I see this in the LDS but than I realized that those who acting like this are not listening to the counsel how to treat one another.

I drawn the brethren who have the Spirit of Love and patience

I also realize in the bigger picture if one has not yet arrive to place in their being not to be bossy or mini tyrant that it is who must be patience with them and not end up like them because they annoyed me!

The choice is our own how we are going to respond!


545 posted on 05/30/2010 12:17:23 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

I love the church for the lord has taught me
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I love the LORD Jesus Christ because He has shed His blood on the Cross and died to save me...


546 posted on 05/30/2010 12:24:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

It was my choice and I never felt pressure.
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But we feel pressure from you...


547 posted on 05/30/2010 12:25:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

It was my choice and I never felt pressure.
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But we feel pressure from you...

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Why is it not the anti trying to deprogram the LDS as so many here like to say...

oh Jesus is over here Resty not there that the bad man JS so over here Resty.


548 posted on 05/30/2010 12:29:59 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

I also realize in the bigger picture if one has not yet arrive to place in their being not to be bossy or mini tyrant
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Hang in there Resty...

I’m sure you’ll arrive there one day...


549 posted on 05/30/2010 12:30:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

Well Resty, if you know not to hang around the teachings of the fornicator Joey Smith, why do you continue to do it ???

You cant have both...Jesus and the world...


550 posted on 05/30/2010 12:33:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian; All

The destructions that occurred in Mesoamerica during the time that Jesus was suffering on the cross happened about a year prior to Christ visiting His people in Mesoamerica and blessing their children, as I have quoted from 3 Nephi. So your “jesus then proceeded to burn, drown, and bury” is a misrepresentation.

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NOT AT ALL. Just to make sure I went back and checked those chapters.

The destructions and murders TOOK PLACE AFTER THE CRUCIFIXION, NOT A YEAR BEFORE. YOU ARE INCORRECT.
3 Ne. 8:5 And it came to pass in the a*thirty and fourth year, in the first month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm, such an one as never had been known in all the land.

Then it goes on to tell of the destruction and the 3 days of darkness from the storm. During the 3 days of darkness (right after Christ’s death) is when they hear Christ’s voice stating that He caused these deaths. Nor is there anything in the text that would even indicate that a year passed. Therefore your assertion that it was a year before is incorrect and misleading.

The footnotes to this are for the Crucifixion of Christ not ‘a year before’.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/8/5a

Footnotes
5a
Hel. 14: 20 (20-27)
20 But behold, as I said unto you concerning another asign, a sign of his death, behold, in that day that he shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his blight unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall be no light upon the face of this land, even from the time that he shall suffer death, for the space of cthree days, to the time that he shall rise again from the dead.
3 Ne. 11: 2.
2 And they were also conversing about this Jesus Christ, of whom the asign had been given concerning his death.
b
TG Jesus Christ, Crucifixion of.
TG Jesus Christ, Death of.

Complete chapter can be found here:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/8

The RLDS (CoC) does not have the Book of Mormon online yet.

So, again John, why would Jesus’ death cause resurrection in Jerusalem at His death while He kills tens of thousands for wickedness (AFTER He atoned for their sins) halfway around the world AT THE SAME TIME!!!!


551 posted on 05/30/2010 12:34:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yeah, seriously. Apparently this guy showed up uninvited to a interfaith breakfast and asked ALL the pastors.

And they accuse Christians of ‘sheep stealing’?!?!? ROFL.

Mark isn’t my pastor, he is my friend’s.

But my pastor would have acted the same way.

It appears that this may have been a recon mission because of some of the LDS members in the stake leaving and getting saved at this particular church and the fight with my friend’s husband to get him out of LDS, inc.

Friend’s hubby “D” needs prayers, real spiritual battle going on there.


552 posted on 05/30/2010 12:38:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu; Utah Binger

Some how one is not thinking right when they try to force another to conform to their will.

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You mean like Mormonism???


553 posted on 05/30/2010 12:38:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu

Why is it not the anti trying to deprogram the LDS as so many here like to say

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Honey, I can’t speak for all of us but I AM trying to ‘deprogram’ you. Or I am trying to let God use me to deprogram you.

That is the only way you will ever see Christ for who He really is, is if the chains that bind you (your programming) to Mormonism are broken.

Been there, done that, felt the heartache of losing my ‘religion’ and the pure joy of finding a personal intimate relationship with Jesus.


554 posted on 05/30/2010 12:41:40 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu

I have no argument with you or any individual that chooses Mormonism. I am astounded that you actually and truthfully believe it and keep trying to defend it. In my immediate family I am surrounded by Bishops, Stake Presidents and even former Prophets. (Harold B. Lee) My brother is a bishop and two nephews are Bishops.

The fact that you gained a testimony I say good for you.

I never got one. Every time I went through that fasting and praying thing, the answer I got was a deafening silence.

I was embarrassed that I went along with the program so long when in my heart I knew it was not true. Two of my college roommates were from Huntsville Utah. One was a non member. He gave me Fawn McKay’s book to read. That is when it all started for me. Then it was the Kinderhook Plates hoax and later the Book of Abraham hoax.

This thread is all about the geography part of the same hoax. I have a testimony that none of it is of God.

Sorry my good friend to have to say it like that. And yes my folks in that great beyond do know the truth now!


555 posted on 05/30/2010 1:07:14 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, 17 Miles North of Kanab)
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To: Tennessee Nana; reaganaut; greyfoxx39; Utah Binger; humblegunner
Let God arise and His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate God run for their lives....Psalm 68:1

An excellent verse.

Here's a good "Inman" motto passage...too long, tho, for a jacketpatch!

Does not wisdom call?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
On the heights beside the way,
at the crossroads she takes her STAND;
beside the gates in front of the town,
at the entrance of the portals she cries aloud:
"To you, O men, I call,
and my cry is to the children of man." (Proverbs 8:1-4, ESV)

556 posted on 05/30/2010 1:08:14 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: reaganaut; bone52; Saundra Duffy; urroner; JDW11235; Burkean; Normandy; killermedic; ...

Some how one is not thinking right when they try to force another to conform to their will.

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You mean like Mormonism???

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Many in the mainstream are far more guilty of coercing then those who are LDS this is the fact!

it is a natural tendency to try to maniputlat another in the pass months I been told I would go to hell if I stayed a Mormon by mainsteam who are not even my family members what you call that?

I have been a member sinse 1982 at no time did anyone try to manipulate me of force me to do things.

Sadly some might run into a bishop who was raied by tyrant and try to rule that way but that is not how the Lord works and I know this for a fact.

Anything you can work out with the Lord one would be wise not to ask a lay bishop for each of us is a product of our upbring.

If one does go for another point of view or counsel one should go home an pray about the discussion.

Each of us are in the end responsibe for our own actions.

This is a lay Church it is a blessing when we do run into those who are on the same page as the Lord. I have had the pleasure many times.

The LDS and those of the Jewish faith have similar parells for there is a wide range of diversity both have in common from praciting the faith to variation of the word even have Jewish atheist as well LDS atheist.


557 posted on 05/30/2010 1:11:29 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Utah Binger

Sorry my good friend to have to say it like that. And yes my folks in that great beyond do know the truth now!

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I understand

Henry Ford believe “if you think you can you can” , “if you think you can’t you can’t” both were right!

One was about vision, creating achievement and the other was about doubt, impossible no vision etc. both kinds of minds achieved their end result!


“I am astounded that you actually and truthfully believe it and keep trying to defend it.”

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It is not hard to defend when I experience it and no longer thrist for more.

I am glad I did not have the pressure of family members where as in the scheme of things one can lead one to water but it is the spirit of the Lord that holds water which fills the cup


558 posted on 05/30/2010 1:29:28 PM PDT by restornu
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To: John McDonnell
The 1835 Doctrine and Covenants was approved for publication by church conferences, thus abiding by the doctrine of common consent, which means that church leaders must not force scriptures on the church without her approval through elected delegates to a general conference.

And yet we hear SO much from MORMONS about that group that met in Nicea, 1700 or so years ago...

559 posted on 05/30/2010 1:44:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: John McDonnell
I notice that a new Mormon edition has moved the text back towards the original manuscripts, no doubt inspired by the Restored Covenant Edition published by the Zarahemla Research Foundation, which was founded by Mesoamerican archaeologists who are convinced that Mesoamerica is the region in which Book of Mormon peoples lived.

And just WHO are THESE folks?

560 posted on 05/30/2010 1:45:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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