Posted on 05/25/2010 10:19:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
CRI Statement
A leading East Coast New Age magazine, New Frontier, recently ran a “dirt for sale” advertisement in its November issue. But this one had a twist — the dirt had allegedly been supercharged by extraterrestrials (ETs). It stated: UFO LANDING site radiates cosmic energy alters psychic awareness. Soil samples $5 + p&h.
Not surprisingly, the Boulder, Colorado firm that ran the ad did not respond to a letter asking for proof that there was something unusual about the dirt.
While it is not immediately known how many people actually sent in their $5, the appearance of such an ad is not unusual. Alongside all the ads bought by New Agers — peddling crystals, “power within” seminars, and channeling sessions — are news bits about recent UFO landings, announcements of upcoming UFO conferences, and advertisements from some of the nation’s leading names in the field of UFOs and the New Age. Some of the ads are placed by alleged “walk-ins,” people who claim that ETs have literally invaded their bodies and can be summoned up (sometimes for a fee) to share wisdom and Ann Landers type advice.
In short, more and more people today are saying UFOs have landed. And while proof that they have seems consistently elusive, it is clear that the phenomenon of UFOlogy — a fascination with UFOs and alleged space creatures — has landed squarely in the middle of the New Age movement.
What is behind the recent resurgence of interest in UFOs, particularly in New Age circles?
(Excerpt) Read more at equip.org ...
Quix....in case you are interested at a later time....
Here are the sources for the DNA reference.
All three books were published from 2007-2010, which is a span of only three years. The reference to the 80% junk DNA is actually too conservative. It’s probably around 90%. ANY REFERENCE TO DNA AS ANYTHING BUT A MOLECULE IS BOGUS.
References are shown below:
(1) “A Life Decoded - My Genome”, by J. Craig Ventor, Ph.D., 2007. (In February 2001, Venter published the completed sequence of the human genome in 2000. He is the founder and president of the J. Craig Venter Institute. )
(2) “In Search of Memory” By Eric Kandler, Ph.D., 2007 (Noble Prize Winner), (This book is a compelling blend of autobiography and history that recounts the life of one of the most important neuroscientists of the 20th century and illuminates scientific developments in our understanding of the brain’s role in recording and preserving memory.)
(3) “101 Theory Drive - A Scientist’s Quest for Memory” by Terry McDermott, 2010 (The book is about the work of Gary Lynch, a neuroscience pioneer, and his quest to uncover the mechansims of memory and find a cure for memory loss.)
I have observed scientific and mathematical debunking of these new agers UFOers presentations on science... and it is generally removed from a website or people are escorted from seminars as aggitators because very few are open to the facts of reality and prefer to remain in their fantasy world...and “believe” the psyco babble. It’s one thing to hear or look at it...investigation can be fun.....quite another if you truly believe it...there is a difference.
You stated....”UFO/New Age belief systems are based upon things that just aren’t true”.....
I agree but a person can and does “believe” whatever they determine they want to believe...true or not..and many do in the face of otherwise evidence. I’m certain you understand this as so as well.
You also stated....” the Imaginary physics they profess. They will speak of “vibrational levels”. That is core to their crud. Ask them what the vibrational frequencies might be for each level”......
The thing is it IS “imaginary”...but they still believe it....like John Nash”s book...he believed what who he saw was absolute, no question... but it was all in his mind. Not that everyone is like him, but the idea that the mind can and does create illusions that just are not there. If you also add to the mix ones hope or belief it definately enhances the illusion....as well group think and then get everyone to empty their mind thru soft music and all that stuff...well..wala! One is open to any suggestion an instructor , guru, etc. might determine you ahould “go to”.
....and you gave the very best advice here....”Pray fervently for guidance and revelation. God will help.”......I have learned important as well to give God room to work when in a difficult situation...he often does so behind the scenes using other people...happenings etc.
Did you experience this dissociative state as well?
These scripture references do tell us how to discern rightly “believers” which helps us to discern if or not they are a believer..... John 1,2, is addressed to believers....... But there are many who are professing Christ...who are not his...and new agers UFO speak often of “Christ Consciousness”... and use His name frequently to entice people of faith...because it works. It is not until they fry your brain they give you the rough stuff and by then your mind is jello so to speak.
Even Muslims believe Christ came as a teacher/prophet...which he is...they just don't believe He was God in Christ.....so basically what these verses are saying is You must believe that Christ is indeed God. And that is where many believers get off the train.
Only for a few seconds. My, "Oh, cool", would break the spell in short order. I finally quit all of this stuff because it took a lot of time and improved nothing except a well-manucured weirdness.
There is indeed a spiritual existence, and it does interact with us in our daily lives. The problem with enhancing our ability to contact the unseen is that there is no way to discern the intentions of the unseen. Led by the unknowing, one is sure to run afoul of strong forces that aren't friendly.
This is absolutely true. That is why I said it must be up to the individual to question this stuff, and seek clarity from reliable sources. Truthfully, I regard a lot of "ordinary church" the same way. Some religious people have to stretch Scripture pretty far in order to believe some of the things they believe as well. Any situation that requires "faith" is a setup for an ambush. There are always those who "seek to control" or who are intrinsically ignorant leaders in any religion, even Christian denominations. Lets fact it: If we knew how to interpret Scripture there wouldn't be so many denominations.
I don’t know of any other Freepers who are greatly read up on the topic though there must be a fair number. They just haven’t come forward noting that or emphasizing it.
Hey... thanks Quix ... I haven't been saying much here, because of "real life" intruding on me ... (what a pesky thing "real life" is ... LOL ...).
But, thanks for getting back and I'll pop in and out here, as I have some time. I've got a project going on at home that others are "on me about" ... :-) ... so I gotta keep up some pretense of working ...
Baker Act, psychiatric evaluation, deprogramming, therapy.
Ummmm..., okay then ... how does that work for a "non-Christian cult group" like Jehovah's Witnesses then? Or how does it work for another "non-Christian cult group" -- like Mormonism. Or another "non-Christian cult group" like Islam.
In other words, unless you're thinking of some application of these things you mentioned -- in ways that I don't understand -- I don't think what you're saying with the Baker Act, and psychiatric evaluation and such, would help in the least with Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons or Muslims -- at all...
And if it wouldn't help with those, like Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons, or Muslims -- I'm not sure how it would help with "New Agers/UFO enthusiasts" ... LOL ...
I’ve just seen no convincing evidence that any of the purported ET’s are nice guys NOT in cahoots with the globalists.
Multiple sources assert that they
ALL
lie routinely, chronically.
Glad you’ve seen the videos.
Thx.
Last I heard, the ‘junk DNA’ stuff was found to be grossly over broad, over-simplified and often—there they originally thought otherwise—just plain wrong.
In at least a significant chunk, percentage of the cases, it was mostly that their level of sophistication was not refined enough to detect the purposes . Evidently that has started to change.
No, I don’t keep track of such sources.
I guess I should have fleshed out my “ . . . “ to include the basic doctrines of the faith I usually do . . . including KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS, BORN OF THE VIRGIN, CRUCIFIED FOR OUR SINS, ROSE THE THIRD DAY, UNDER WHOM ALL WAS PLACED ETC.
Thanks for your kind words.
Prayers for speedy, smooth, efficient completion of tasks with joy, peace and strengthened relationships.
God’s best to you and yours.
Exactly like our Congressmen and other elected and appointed officials. That doesn't make all humans or ETs into demons or bad guys. (Although sometimes I suspect that Congresscritters are either mean ETs or demons.)
From a Christian perspective all these channelers are saying is hocus pocus mumbo jumbo and can easily be debunked via scripture....
There are a whole lot of hoaxsters out there, to take advantage of people who believe that there are people who can "channel" messages from some other entities and give instruction or messages to people here on this earth.
But, even while saying that (and there might be 99% hoaxsters out there doing so) -- I think one has to realize that there are those who "are actually channeling messages" from other entities in some other existence, other than what we see in front of us, in the world that mankind lives in everyday.
Now, what the Bible "debunks" is not so much that there is no one that these meesages are coming from -- and it's not "debunking" that there are no people who can "channel messages" -- but the Bible is saying that it's a sin "to do so". And as we all know, the law that was given to Israel that they were to follow, under God's theocracy of government -- was that anyone who did so, was to be stoned.
I should also say that the Bible debunks the "content of those channeled messages" -- without a doubt. There's no question that there is the One True God and that all others are false gods, not real at all, and only made up of wood and stone and other materials, having no life in those materials. But, that's not to say that there are no evil angels, perpetrating their false messages, to "channelers" who then spread those false messages, called "doctrines of demons" (in the Bible) to others in our contemporary society.
So..., today, we live in a society where people are not stoned for doing that, as God commanded in Israel. But Christians still know that it's a sin that we should stay away from (especially if we are going to follow God's word).
However, that's not going to stop those "hoaxsters" -- and -- it's certainly not going to stop those are are "really doing it" either ... Their "judgment day" is coming, the Great White Throne judgement, as told to us in Revelation 20.
And the ones that are giving those messages, are clearly those fallen angels, those 1/3 of the angelic realm that rebelled with Satan -- against God and His law. They are the ones (as the Bible says) who are perpetrating the "doctrine of demons" -- because that's where those messages come from.
Thanks... I’m stretching out my time here as much as possible, but I think I just ran out ... see y’all later ... :-)
The most important thing to do when faced with a "deprogramming" problem is demonstrate that the new age teachings cannot be substantiated through mathematics or physical experiments.
AND ... neither can Christian teaching and doctrines about being raised from the dead, and about living eternally in immortal bodies, and Jesus being born of a virgin, and Jesus Himself being raised from the dead -- be substantiated through mathematics or physical experiments ...
It sorta looks like -- all you would accomplish there would be the "deprogramming" of Christians -- from their basic, historic and Biblical teachings and doctrines ... LOL ...
Therefore, what that means -- is -- that your "methodology" for deprogramming "New Agers ideas and teachings" is a "big FAIL" -- because all it accomplishes is also "deprogramming Christians" of Christian teachings and doctrines ... :-)
That's what I call a "classic FAIL" position...
The easiest way to penetrate this veil is to ask the "new age experts" to show the math behind their assumptions. They will attempt to proclaim that their knowledge transcends Newtonian physics. It can then be shown that they don't know Newtonian physics, which we demonstrated to be true ages ago.
That's not very useful to Christians, though -- in some ways. Let me illustrate a way in which it's not useful.
As Christians, we know that we will be resurrected from the dead, and be given immortal and perfect bodies -- as the Bible tells us that the dead will be raised up (from the earth and even those having been scattered in the oceans, having died a very long time ago). And then -- the "living" at that time, will be changed from their mortal bodies to immortal bodies, in the twinkling of an eye, while still alive, not having to die first, but being transformed "on the spot" to the immoratal and perfect body, which they will live in corporeal and living bodies, never to die for eternity after.
NOW ... using that methodology that you use in asking those to "explain" some of these things that they assert ... I'm wondering how many Christians will be giving you the "mathematics" underlying the raising from the dead, even when they have been scattered in the earth and in the deepest oceans and how the mathematics of the matter explains the ones who are still alive at that time, being transformed into immortal bodies, that never die from that time forward, on into eternity.
How are those Christians, not only supposed to give the mathematics behind it, how are they to give any particular "laws of physics" behind it?
ALSO, what is the "mathematics" behind how Satan was able to do what he did to Job and his family ... when God gave him the "permission" to proceed -- with the power that God said he had (and could use).
Job Chapter 1 12 And the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person." So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. 13 Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house; 14 and a messenger came to Job and said, "The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them, 15 when the Sabeans raided them and took them away--indeed they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!" 16 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you!" 17 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "The Chaldeans formed three bands, raided the camels and took them away, yes, and killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!" 18 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, "Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house, 19 and suddenly a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you!" 20 Then Job arose, tore his robe, and shaved his head; and he fell to the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said: "Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord." 22 In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong.
AND, furthermore, I would like to know the "mathematics" and/or "laws of physics" that govern the ability of Peter to walk on the storm waves, out to Jesus, and how those same laws of physics which worked and allowed him to walk out there -- also -- functioned so as to have him "sinking down" a moment later. I'm sure we're talking about the same laws of physics in action at the one moment before and the one moment later -- acting in a consistent fashion upon Peter, while he was "walking on the waves" -- at one second and "sinking" the next second.
THEN, a real good one to know the mathemathics behind and the relevant laws of physics, would be how you create a "wall of water" on the left side and the right side of Israel, as they crossed over to the other section of dry land ("on the other side"), but then, after they got across, the walls of water on the left and right (which stayed up all night long, the night before), all of a sudden came crashing upon Pharoah's chariots and drowned them all, on the very same spot where Israel had just walked through.
It looks like -- at least to me -- that Christians would be no better at explaining the "mathematics" and "laws of physics" explaining some of those things that they know happened in the Bible -- than some of these other folks would be able to do.
YET..., in the case of Christians -- even though there is no mathematics and laws of physics that even the experts have been able to come up with to explain them -- Christians know that those things have happened exactly as the Bible has told them.
I have my doubts about "established religeon" as well. Taking anything on faith is setting ones self up for an ambush. Fortunately, all of the spiritual crap is in God's hands.
Actually, they don't KNOW this for fact. They rely on faith. Christians rely on the assumption that the Bible was faithfully handed down through the ages, was not made up by man, and is interpreted for their sake by honest people. My experience with the clergy has greatly shaken my trust in them, and conseqently the entire shebang.
It is fortunate that this is really in God's hands rather than our own.
I have my doubts about "established religion" as well.
Well..., in what I'm saying -- I know that many look at it from the standpoint of "established religion" -- but I only look at it from the standpoint of the Word of God, the Bible and what God says through it.
It wouldn't matter to me how "organized" or "unorganized" some "religion" is -- but rather, what does God say in His own Word about various things (which are said in the Bible).
To me some denominational distinctive, something that sets one group apart from another, some "membership" in one group versus another group -- doesn't mean anything to me.
Of course, I'm not saying that I don't listen to or study things that (let's say) some church teaches or preaches, or study some doctrinal course at some school or seminary, or adhere to the understanding of the Bible that a particular church says it has. I do all that. It's just that it doesn't make any difference when considering if something is true or not.
What makes a difference in the "truth of the matter" is simply what God's word says about it.
There are a lot of churches that do adhere to what the Word of God say, so I'm not saying to not go to any of them. But, at the same time there are others who don't. So, you better know what the Word of God says before you get involved in some particular church.
BUT, with all that said -- and with "tossing out" every single denomination out there as irrelevant (in terms of the Word of God, itself) -- and getting rid of "all organized religion" -- you're still going to come back to these points of God telling us that we're going to be raised from the dead, some are going to be "changed" in a twinkling of an eye, if they are alive at that particular time, and with the fact of Peter walking over to Jesus on the storm waves, and with Israel crossing a body of water with walls of water on each side of it, with the fact that we're told that we can actually "entertain angels" and not be aware that they are angels -- and it goes on and on and on.
All that (even when you ignore all "organized religion" and you dump all denominations) -- you've still got all that -- which you can't put into mathematics and/or any laws of physics.
HOWEVER, I'll tell you what you do have, instead -- is you have the "witness" and the "testimony" of God and also from all who have seen what God has done, and are able to verify it for us.
AND..., you've got "God's witness, itself, to us" -- telling us what mathematics can't say a single thing about and what the laws of physics is totally unable to explain.
You've got God's witness, His own direct word, straight from Him -- telling us about things -- when there was "no such thing that existed" as "physics". God tells us about things at a "time" -- when there was "no such thing as time, itself" -- in existence. Also, God tells us, Himself, about His own existence -- in which He is currently existing where there is "no time at all" -- even while we live in a dimensionality in which we are confined by one parameter of our existence, called "time"...
AND SO ... it's actually -- only God's witness, itself -- that is the distinguishing factor here -- and not "mathematics" or "physics" ... :-)
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