Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
TY for that passage, Dr E.
That separation between the two slaves is not scriptural. If you only read the part about two slaves, it might appear so to you, but let us read on:
18 Being then freed from sin, we have been made servants of justice. 19 I speak an human thing, because of the infirmity of your flesh. For as you have yielded your members to serve uncleanness and iniquity, unto iniquity; so now yield your members to serve justice, unto sanctification. 20 For when you were the servants of sin, you were free men to justice. 21 What fruit therefore had you then in those things, of which you are now ashamed? For the end of them is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end life everlasting. 23 For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.[...]
6 But now we are loosed from the law of death, wherein we were detained; so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? God forbid. But I do not know sin, but by the law; for I had not known concupiscence, if the law did not say: Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 And I lived some time without the law. But when the commandment came, sin revived, 10 And I died. And the commandment that was ordained to life, the same was found to be unto death to me 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, seduced me, and by it killed me. 12 Wherefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was that then which is good, made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it may appear sin, by that which is good, wrought death in me; that sin, by the commandment, might become sinful above measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do.
(Romans 6-7)
Compare:
43 It is sown in dishonour, it shall rise in glory. It is sown in weakness, it shall rise in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body. If there be a natural body, there is also a spiritual body, as it is written: 45 The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a quickening spirit. 46 Yet that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; afterwards that which is spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, earthly: the second man, from heaven, heavenly. 48 Such as is the earthly, such also are the earthly: and such as is the heavenly, such also are they that are heavenly. 49 Therefore as we have borne the image of the earthly, let us bear also the image of the heavenly(1 Corinthians 15)
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh in its concupiscences (Romans 13:14)
The sharp dichotomy of Rm 6:18-20 no longer obtains: we learn that sin and righteousness are a struggle where sin pays wages -- as we sin. We end up a torn man. Sanctification is a process, -- we put on Christ. St. Paul urges us along it. With fear and trembling we work it out, because it is God working with us. He works and we work. Freedom is the condition of a Christian man.
It appears you were confused and just threw any old accusation into the mix to see what sticks.
Yes . . . AFTER 24 HOURS, however.
No rinsing before then.
Thx thx.
Seriously.
The truth hinges on a preposition.
Ping to the link in 7,161.
Gosh. You've repeated this error all over the place. Please quote me correctly.
I said the Legion of Mary was sanctioned by the Vatican which it is. We can assume that blog is likewise sanctioned by Rome since it appears to be one of the many chapters of the Vatican-sanctioned Legion of Mary scattered throughout the world.
Just not scattered far enough.
Oops. There's another slip-up of yours.
The Legion of Mary is Vatican-sanctioned. As I said.
Perspective:
KC has cliffs. Real cliffs.
D00d:
These are in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, just east of me. The lower pic is called the Chinese Wall (which I was all over in my youth), which is a part of the Continental Divide and runs for miles and miles (THAT's a "cliff")...
Come on up. Two or three weeks back in there, on the White River Trial, you will understand why I am a Charismatic. You WILL catch the Spirit.
“We are either guided by the Spirit or guided by our desires and lust”....
But is not this the two natures..His Spirit and My desires which war against His?
He can lead one direction ..I want to go in another...He says wait..I say no I don’t want to. My wanting is my will..my desire opposing Him.
Huh? You just told us why in this very post - you said it was because someone used their free will to choose God and follow Him, and another used their free will to refuse to follow Him. And supposedly this decision by man is what causes God to elect someone or not.
None of which is Scriptural. Romans 9:11
Can the natural man decide to repent and believe? Does the natural man decide to turn himself into the spiritual man?
Or does the natural man first have to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit in order to know the spiritual things of God, to repent and believe?
Your right it is silly...so was I
lol. And aren't you fortunate to know that? 8~)
Thank you ...exactly....
Couldn’t believe this went this far on the thread...I am ROTFLOL....You all had intellectual intercourse while I was gone. Columbus would have been proud!...Oh wait...isn’t there some old manuscript or something out there that mentions he actually cannot take credit?
Philippians 2:13
13for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
Yes, we see it exactly the same way.
So the exciting question, maybe, underneath FK’s question is how much are the emotions, especially the ‘painful’ ones, essential to our humanity.
Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping would come up. As I understand it, among the departed it isn't just Saints who are eligible to receive prayers. If I understand the belief correctly it is perfectly acceptable to pray to one's own departed mother, for example. The person does take a risk of praying to someone who is in purgatory or worse, but per se it is still a valid prayer.
If that is correct then I try to put myself in that place, of being aware of and receiving prayers from earth (although my mailbox would probably be pretty empty :). I have to think that if I am left with a substantial part of my humanity then I would be unable to fulfill my "office" without breaking the "no tears in Heaven" rule.
The Ascension is classically understood to mean that somehow human nature is “taken up” into God - and words like those are used in the so-called Athanasian Creed about the Incarnation. FWIW
Yeah, but Jesus had something left over. We would be swallowed whole. :)
Lewis’s evocative language suggests that the passions of the blessed will be overwhelmed. One of his characters says that to think about genital sex in heaven would be like seeing the Niagara Falls and thinking about making a cup of tea.
If Lewis was right, then I wouldn't understand how the departed could be qualified to understand our problems or have compassion about them. They would no longer be able to relate. This description to me would be to lose a substantial amount of our humanity.
In related news is FK’s wondering how he would feel to know that someone he loved was not saved. Here, to me, the question is, how much will the love God shares with us draw us into a kind of identification and or a clear perception of His rightness. You know how Psalm 119 is all about how delightful the Law is, after all. Maybe the blessed, knowing God’s justice as well as any human can, will understand and FEEL how Mr. X’s going to hell is part of God’s glorious plan and therefore not be troubled.
Boy if all the Saints were Reformers, then it would work out just right! LOL! But seriously, I was also thinking of the investment a departed may have put into the prayers of a loved one on earth only to have a sad outcome. That is, unless the departed already know the outcome in advance. I don't know what the position of the Church is on that.
I guess I see two things tugging at each other in opposite directions. On the one hand we might be changed or insulated enough to be able to handle the tragedies on earth. But if we are, then we would be so changed as to not be then able to REALLY care and pray with the earnestness that we do here on earth. When all of us seek the Lord about a big deal we really get into it, don't we? Would THAT then be gone in Heaven?
...who has asked you questions you seem reluctant to answer. For example: In Acts 16, we have a very simple presentation of the Gospel. The Philippian jailer, convinced Paul and Silas are men of God, asks, ?Sirs, what must I do to be saved??
As you've said, Mr. R., you're retired. I'm not. I've missed 3/4 of these posts.
In reference to the Philippian jailer, OF COURSE men must believe to be saved. No Christian denies that.
But the question is WHO believes and WHY. And the only men who believe and are saved are those whom God has chosen to receive new ears, new eyes, a heart of flesh, a renewed mind and a rebirth by the Holy Spirit -- all free gifts from God to whom He will.
Odd, isn?t it...that Jesus didn?t mention election
He does. Often. For instance...
"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." -- John 17:9
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