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To: Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; annalex; Quix; Running On Empty
" This description to me would be to lose a substantial amount of our humanity."

Or, perhaps, to realize the fullness of it.
7,240 posted on 01/30/2010 12:40:25 AM PST by shibumi (Health and well being for S. and L. - in Jesus name we pray!)
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To: shibumi
Heaven and our Heavenly Bodies

MUST

involve

an
EXPANSION

Of
OUR
capacities
and their
DISPLAY
FOR
HIS
!!!!GLORY!!!!

Hell is for shrinking and imploding.

NOT
HEAVEN!

7,246 posted on 01/30/2010 2:13:00 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: shibumi; Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; Quix; Running On Empty
[to be in Heaven is] to realize the fullness of [one's humanity].

Yes. Let us not forget: Original Sin made us less human. True humanity is Christ's humanity.

They that are well have no need of a physician, but they that are sick. For I came not to call the just, but sinners (Mark 2:17)

7,319 posted on 01/30/2010 9:29:42 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: shibumi; Mad Dawg; annalex; Quix; Running On Empty
MD: Lewis’s evocative language suggests that the passions of the blessed will be overwhelmed. One of his characters says that to think about genital sex in heaven would be like seeing the Niagara Falls and thinking about making a cup of tea.

FK: If Lewis was right, then I wouldn't understand how the departed could be qualified to understand our problems or have compassion about them. They would no longer be able to relate. This description to me would be to lose a substantial amount of our humanity.

Shibumi: Or, perhaps, to realize the fullness of it.

Alex: Yes. Let us not forget: Original Sin made us less human. True humanity is Christ's humanity.

Just want to make sure we're all on the same page. :) Now, if we put all of this together it looks like it comes out that being in Heaven will have us realizing the fullness(es?) of our humanity(ies). That part sounds great. :)

However, I can't buy that the fullness of humanity is passionless. One of the first things we learn about Adam was that he was lonely (did not have a fit helper) and that was not good. So, when Eve arrived Adam's loneliness went away and it was good. At that precise time, before the Fall, we are then told:

Gen. 2:24 : For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

I know we are told later that there won't be sex in Heaven, but for the purposes of talking about passion, are we to assume that before the Fall, the sex between Adam and Eve was passionless? That doesn't sound like the fullness of humanity to me. When we are passionate with our spouses (respectively of course) are we to think it is a gift of God as was in the original model, or a negative result of the Fall? Help me out here. :)

Plus, in response to Alex, Christ's humanity sure seemed to have plenty of passion. :)

8,320 posted on 02/04/2010 12:21:46 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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