Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
The heresy of your church's Marian practices is more an indictment of the inability of your church to correct error (reform) than it is my poor ability to interpret Scripture. The underlined portion from your Vatican approved website indicates an ongoing work by Mary. There is nothing in Scripture to interpret that she has an active ongoing work here on earth now that she is in heaven. She is like every other Christian in heaven, worshipping God.
On the contrary, we are doing exactly as the Blessed Mother stated and as our Lord commanded. We have the same adoration for the Blessed Mother that the Reformers had.
The underlined portion from your Vatican approved website indicates an ongoing work by Mary. There is nothing in Scripture to interpret that she has an active ongoing work here on earth now that she is in heaven.
There is nothing in Scripture to indicate that she isn't.
To follow your logic, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that the western hemisphere even exists, but we're here.
yes the word of God supports that
And, do you not believe God is the father of all men?
No, God is not the Father of all men..that is a fallacy. God is the one that created all men, but He is not their father.
Scripture is very clear on this fact
One of many scriptures belowJohn 8:42-47 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
From Paul
Romans 8:12-17
Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
"The brotherhood of men may make some people feel good, but it NO WHERE upheld in scripture
Are you SURE?
Actually Scripture clearly says that the earth is flat and that east and west are not just relative to our position since "as far as the east is from the west, so far has He set our sins from us." So, flat earth. Go for it.
Going to Mass, laughing all the way.
“”Actually Scripture clearly says that the earth is flat...So, flat earth. Go for it.””
There actually is a protestant group who believes this still
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
From Their mission statement...
“”Then, in the year of our Lord fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, it all changed. For decades a small band of self-proclaimed “enlightened” individuals had been spouting their heretical nonsense that the Earth was in fact round.””
The word "foreknow" in scripture in terms of God is not "to know" as to "ascertain pre-existing information." God already "knows" all pre-existing information because He made us the way we are - either vessels to display His mercy or vessels to display His judgment.
The word "foreknow" in terms of God means "to love personally and with specificity."
And this love is individual, targeted, transformative and the first cause of all and every righteousness, including the desire to believe. Without it, there is only darkness. With it, there is light eternal. Either/or, according to God's good pleasure alone.
Election according to "foreseen ability and desire to believe" nullifies the truth of men's total inability to know God, love God and obey God unless and until God first regenerates the dead (natural) man into an adopted (spiritual) Son who knows his salvation is by Christ alone.
So if a man's regeneration by God is the reason for the difference between men then "foreseen faith" is not a determing factor in election, but instead a result of God's election. We believe because He enabled us to even want to believe.
And if it was a determinate act, then was there some deliberative thought process that went into that election? Or was it simply random, like a computer picking numbers for the lottery?
THAT is the part of predestination we don't have the ability to understand. Scripture only tells us it is due to "God's good pleasure." Why God chooses some men to lift from from their misery and bring to Himself in faith while leaving others in their fallen, God-denying state is His alone to know. All men fallen. Some men saved.
I really doubt God's purpose in creating his family is "random." But any "deliberation" is all of one moment, so to speak. God waits for nothing and no man. For what outcome is He weighing that He has not already ordained from before the foundation of the world? He is at all times omniscient. It's His show. We breath because He causes the brain to enable the lungs to inhale and exhale.
"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" -- Romans 9:11
Think about it. Who benefits by telling men they must do something in order for God to love them and choose them and redeem them?
Answer:
1) those churches who presume to barter and sell God's grace, and
2) the temporal world that works hard to convince Christians there is no Christian distinctive; there is no eternal, predestined love shown believers; and most especially, that men are in control and not God.
Uhhhhh . . .
Lots of points on that continuum . . . not just the extremes.
If you don't understand it, then you can't foreclose the idea that foreknowledge as a basis for his determinate election. That is where the Westminster Confession and I part company. The WCF forecloses even to possibility that God has determined to elect even one person on the basis of His infinite foreknowledge. Yet that same document purports to state that His determinate counsel is an unknowable mystery.
Seems contradictory to me. Either you don't know why, or you do.
You can't state that you don't know the reason why, and then categorically rule out at least one or more reasons. You don't know. That is the whole point. Nobody does.
Uhhhh . . .
Scripture speaks of earth as a sphere.
Hey, how are you feeling? Did everything go okay?
1) those churches who presume to barter and sell God's grace, and
2) the temporal world that works hard to convince Christians there is no Christian distinctive; there is no eternal, predestined love shown believers; and most especially, that men are in control and not God.
No Catholic Church in either one of those answers.
Thank God for that.
On what authority do you say that Mary, Mother of Jesus is not dead.
lol. Claims to be???
Are you aware the number of times Roman Catholics call people and websites "liars?"
The blog I linked to is a member of the Vatican-sanctioned Legion of Mary.
Read their handbook. It's all there.
The authority of Christ Himself.
That blog is a member of what?
The Legion of Mary permits blogs to be members?
Certainly someone who rejects and rebukes their God-given gift of free will would be baffled by that.
Me: maybe Warfield doesn’t even have the brains of a doorknob.
Dr E: What doorknob is sitting on the oft-posted horse?
Me: The kind of doorknob who has asked you questions you seem reluctant to answer. For example:
In Acts 16, we have a very simple presentation of the Gospel. The Philippian jailer, convinced Paul and Silas are men of God, asks, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
Naturally, Paul rebukes his arrogance in believing he can do ANYTHING to be saved!
Well, actually Paul decides to be polite, and hold off teaching the ‘secret things’ until later, and simply ask if God has caused him to be born again. Or he assumes the jailer has been born again (since he is already asking) and simply congratulates him on believing.
No, Paul replies, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If - then. What must the jailer DO? Believe.
boatbums: “In heaven, the sign on the outside of the door says, “Whosoever will.”, and once you go in the sign on the inside says, “Chosen in him before the foundation of the world.”
Amen!
“Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”
Odd, isn’t it...that Jesus didn’t mention election...particularly since he was talking to Nicodemus, a Pharisee, the Elect of the Chosen!
Thanks.
Much appreciate your caring and prayers.
Lots of sawing and slicing and suturing.
Now on pain meds with a teabag to stop a stubborn bleeding area. Seems to be lessening. Rather not have to call the surgeon in from his off time. Was a skilled fellow. Just a troublesome mouth. I’m sure the RC’s et al’s hereon would agree . . . oh, right, fingers.
anyway.
Don’t think much of Percocet for pain.
Sigh.
Ahhhh well, this tooo like gas shall pass.
LUB
Amen.
There is nothing in Scripture to mandate sola Scriptura. It is a false tradition of men and, ironically, not supported by Scripture.
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