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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Judith Anne
He told us what to do. We either do it or not, as we choose.

I don't think so. If God wants us to do something, we'll do it. Jonah found that out.

Oh, and may St. Mary, ever-virgin, bless you.

And contrary to some writers, Mary did not remain a virgin and, while I respect her, it isn't her blessing I'm interested in.

Mat 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Joh 2:12 After this he went down to Capernaum, with his mother and his brothers and his disciples, and they stayed there for a few days.

Joh 7:5 For not even his brothers believed in him. Joh 7:6 Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always here.... Joh 7:10 But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.

3,441 posted on 01/15/2010 4:21:10 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: NoGrayZone

Oh, it’s poppycock, of course. ;-D


3,442 posted on 01/15/2010 4:26:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Petronski
I believe you at one time asked me if I ever took a course in logic. I guess I should ask the same question.

Are you saying that the term "God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth," means that everyone can repent if they want to? Wow, that's reading a bit more into the text, don't you think? Please tell me what you think it means?

3,443 posted on 01/15/2010 4:27:05 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Gosh, we disagree. Imagine that. Well, may all the angels and saints bless your hard shell. :-D


3,444 posted on 01/15/2010 4:27:19 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: HarleyD
Are you saying that the term "God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth," means that everyone can repent if they want to?

It makes no comment on that question either way. It neither says He must nor that He cannot. It says He may perhaps.

I'm not loading anything into the text that isn't there. Your position seems to be that, since you're loading something into the text and I disagree, I therefore must be trying to load the opposite.

But that verse does not address whether He must or does not. It says He may perhaps.

3,445 posted on 01/15/2010 4:30:02 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: HarleyD

“If man is capable of exercising his will to make decisions, what is the purpose of God? Is it just for Him to sit back and help out everytime something goes wrong?”

1) I’m more concerned about the purpose of man than of God. CS Lewis wrote an essay called “God in the Dock” about modern man’s belief that he could judge God. We won’t, but He will.

2) Free will - or the ability to choose evil, or accept God’s grace when offered - means there is good & there is evil, and God wants us to choose good, just as I want my son & daughters to do so.And, in fact, scripture teaches clearly that God wants us to choose good, which starts with belief in Jesus and accepting Him as Lord. Only then are we born again, and given a new heart that desires good.

God would have all of us come to saving repentance, but our rejection of Him means we all will not.

But in the Kingdom of Heaven, or Kingdom of God, folks accept the rule of God. “Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” We’ve been born again, to walk in the Spirit and be conformed to the image of His Son.

I have never argued that man is free to do as he pleases. That is NOT a free will argument, at least, not among Baptists.


3,446 posted on 01/15/2010 4:30:33 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: HarleyD

None of those passages support your premise.

Round and round the carousel we go.


3,447 posted on 01/15/2010 4:32:23 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers

While we live on earth, though we belong to Christ and want to do His Will, we are not yet perfected. We can belong to His Kingdom while here on earth before we die, and still sin, but since we are His we confess it (at least to Him) and ask for His forgiveness, and try harder.

I’m not sure if we disagree or not here I suspect we may sometime....but your post was very well written. ;-D


3,448 posted on 01/15/2010 4:39:16 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: the_conscience
I agree with Paul that I am a slave of God.

Not if you are Calvinist. Paul says that he is a bondsman or indentured servant, as it is sometimes translated. Not a slave in the sense that we understand it.

3,449 posted on 01/15/2010 4:39:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble; when yer perfect in ev-ery way...

Given the accuracy of your posts, you ought to be the humblest person on FR.

3,450 posted on 01/15/2010 4:40:58 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Petronski
I'm not loading anything into the text that isn't there. Your position seems to be that, since you're loading something into the text and I disagree, I therefore must be trying to load the opposite.

That happens a LOT with some people...;-D

3,451 posted on 01/15/2010 4:41:23 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Do you have any Christ in your alleged Christianity? I keep seeing your Scriptural quotes kept small and out of context, and without any Christ whatsoever.


3,452 posted on 01/15/2010 4:43:07 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wrong. The both of you lose. Antioch is not in Syria. The map you posted does not show the borders. And it does not claim that Antioch is in Syria.

As in your Scriptural proofs, your map does not show what you claim it shows. Any more than your snippets of Scripture taken out of context mean what you say that they mean.


3,453 posted on 01/15/2010 4:46:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Any Christ in your Christianity, or do you keep on relying on out of context snippets of Paul?


3,454 posted on 01/15/2010 4:48:06 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
As in your Scriptural proofs, your map does not show what you claim it shows. Any more than your snippets of Scripture taken out of context mean what you say that they mean.

Well, since the scripture doesn't cut it, and the historical maps don't cut it, will you show us the relevant section of your catechism that shows us where THAT Antioch is at???

3,455 posted on 01/15/2010 4:53:08 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Calvin must be speaking a lot of truth for Rome to detest him so very much.

We detest satan to the ultimate meaning; Calvin was only a tool in the hands of satan. Hardly Christian truth. If you'd like, we can teach you about Christianity. As taught by Christ and the Apostles. Not as taught by folks who have repeated the heresies of the first millennium and actually improved upon the quality of their heresies.

3,456 posted on 01/15/2010 4:56:09 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Judith Anne; HarleyD
"Gosh, we disagree. Imagine that. Well, may all the angels and saints bless your hard shell. :-D"

Oops, looks like she forgot the Father and the Son. Guess the blessing wasn't a blessing after all. :-D

3,457 posted on 01/15/2010 4:56:41 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
RCs do not control the language, try as they might.

Even though I'm just a plain old Catholic and not Roman, I'm still trying to control the language. For instance, I would call the group who agree with you, the Dreckleburgs. Of course, I would only do that in fun, hoping that if the feelthy papists can laugh about themselves, so can the Dreckleb..., er, whatevers.

Oh, and by the way, may your guardian angel keep you from all harm this weekend. ;-D

3,458 posted on 01/15/2010 5:01:13 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Well, I don’t get lathered up praying for EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME. Sometimes, I think someone might have so much spirit they don’t need anything from me, so I just send a little blessing,

Somebody really sick, or needs help desperately, I go all out. Just let me know.


3,460 posted on 01/15/2010 5:05:30 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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