Posted on 12/16/2009 7:38:57 AM PST by PanzerKardinal
A "Progressive" Anglican church in Auckland New Zealand paid to have this billboard placed near their parish.
Here are some excerpts written by the Vicar, Archdeacon Glynn Cardy on the church's website touting what he did.
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To make the news at Christmas it seems a priest just needs to question the literalness of a virgin giving birth. Many in society mistakenly think that to challenge literalism is to challenge the norms of Christianity. What progressive interpretations try to do however is remove the supernatural obfuscation and delve into the deeper spiritual truth of this festival.
Christian fundamentalism believes a supernatural male God who lived above sent his sperm into the womb of the virgin Mary. Although there were a series of miraculous events surrounding Jesus’ birth – like wandering stars and angelic choirs – the real miracle was his death and literal resurrection 33 years later. The importance of this literal resurrection is the belief that it was a cosmic transaction whereby the male God embraced humanity only after being satiated by Jesus’ innocent blood.
Progressive Christianity is distinctive in that not only does it articulate a clear view it is also interested in engaging with those who differ. Its vision is one of robust engagement. If every Christian thought the same not only would life be deadly boring but also the fullness of God would be diminished. This is the consequence of its incarnational theology: God is among us; even among those we disagree with or dislike.
(Excerpt) Read more at stmatthews.org.nz ...
Sorry; but your handwaving away of FACTS doesn’t cut it in the real world where we live.
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That is the problem you live according to the world and use the world yardstick that is why ye have little faith in yourselves to know the present of the Holy Spirit your can recite scripture to a T the letter of the law but none of you have had the Joy of the Spirit of the Lord nor recognized those occasions in your life that He was around.
Many of you deny the power there of!
Many of you are daily in a constance state of contention ti has been a long time sinse the Holy Ghost has been able to visit those who are always engaged in things that are not the fruit of the Lord.
Gal 5
Excerpts
21 ....revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
When you allow these fruits in your life there also will be the Holy Spirit!
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Ok, so they HAD it; but what GOOD has it done them?
This is one of the WORST examples of you mindreading yet!
Do not worry about whether we ANTIs are right or have the HS or ANYTHING!
Worry about how your religion is RIDDLED with false prophecies and internal inconsistancies, split into factions and countless other FACTS that you ignore.
THAT is what you should asking yourself.
You may have felt a spirit with you but, I've got a hint for you: “It's NOT the Lord!”
I was once a completely open-minded seeker; As I began to read the Book of Mormon, I asked God to reveal to me any and all truth therein.
Although it started out as a pretty good story, as I progressed, I found it became more and more a justification for the “Manifest Destiny” movement and the extermination and enslavement of the darker skinned peoples of the world.
Far from being ancient in origin, there are way too many nineteenth centuryisms in it. This is what the Holy Spirit showed me, and I wasn't even a Christian yet!
There are numerous covenants in the Hebrew Bible, but only one Torah.
Ok, so they HAD it; but what GOOD has it done them?
What good has it done them? What kind of question is that? One doesn't obey G-d for what one can get out of it. Obeying G-d is an end in and of itself.
What "good" has chr*stianity done the chr*stians?
I testify that the same spirit of Love that is in the Bible is also present in the Book of Mormon.
So many who love the Bible have surrender believing it is impossible to keep the Lord’s Commandments or covenants so they rest on all one has to do is believe but they need not strive to uphold Lord’s commandments.
But in the Book of Mormon I have come to learn it is the Lord which enables one to wax strong in the ways of the Lord.
When one strives to obey the counsel of the Lord and is applied in one’s life one is able to bridle in their natural man tendencies.
The opposition does not teach man to be good for it is not in the devil to promote good for he is the father of lies and the merchant of doubt and fear.
I know you do not agree but this is my testimony!
none of you have had the Joy of the Spirit of the Lord nor recognized those occasions in your life that He was around.
Many of you deny the power there of!
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Resty, we deny that Joey Smith was a prophet of God ...
Joey Smith was not the Holy Ghost...
BTW from what I have read of your comments over the years, it appears you asre the one who doesnt know the Holy Ghost...
You cannot deny the Jesus of the Bible and at the same time experience the Holy Ghoist of the Bible...
Both are part of the Trinity and both are God...
I pray that you come to know the Jesus of the Bible who shed his blood on the cross and died on the cross for your salvation (atonement) and get saved...
The opposition does not teach man to be good for it is not in the devil to promote good for he is the father of lies and the merchant of doubt and fear.
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and yet the devil wrote the book of mormon...
There is only one God...
He is Triune...
God the Father, God thye Word (son) and God the Holy Ghost...
The Word who had been in Heaven from the beginning, came to Earth and became man, born of a virgin who had never had sex with man or mormon god...
He took on flesh and was named Immanuel, meaning God with us, Jesus which means salvation, Son of the Highest, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace ...Matthew 1:23, Luke 1:31, 32, Isaiah 9:6
Jesus grew up in Nazareth and became a carpenter as Hids father, Joseph had been..
Meanwhile His cousin, john, was out in the desert, learning from God what was to happen...He was told to go to the River Jordon and tell the people to Repeat and baptise them for the Lord was coming...
Jesus went down and was the last one baptised by John.. right after Jesus was baptised, John was arrested and beheaded as his earthly ministry was finished...
When John baptised Jesus, the Holy Spirit left Heaven and landed on Jesus...people who saw the Holy Spirit thought He looked like the shape of a dove...God the Father announced “This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” Matthew 3:16, 17
For the next three and a half years, with the power of the Holy Ghost, Jesus went about doing good, healing the sick, casting out devils and teaching the people about God, the Heavens and about Hell, and proclaiming that he was the promised Messiah and the ONLY way to God...
Jesus said to Resty and us all, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by ME” John 14:6
In the third year at Passover, Jesus died as the Ultimate Passover Lamb, sacrificed for all mankind, in our place. He shed His own life blood on the cross, and died in our place to pay the death penalty for our sins...the sins of Joey Smith, Brigham Young, Hitler, Barack Obama, Resty, Nana, the Christians, the Moslems, the Hindus, the mormons, et al..
Other than Jesus there is no other way to be saved and go to Heaven...When Jesus said “IT IS FINISHED”, it was... When Jesus who is God does something it is perfect and complete...He did it all, everything that was necessary for our salvation, There is nothing else we need to do other than believe and repent of our sins and accept what Jesus did for us to be saved...Mark 16:16
Nothing and nobody can keep us from going to Heaven where all of us together, men and women, will spend eternity, worshipping Jesus the Holy Lamb of God in front odf the throne of the Highest, God the Father, and hanging out with Jesus, Peter, John, and the other disciples, Isaiah, and the other Old testament prophets, Moses, Joshua and the other ancient hebrews, and the Flying Imans and all the other men and women who have died believing in Jesus...
And the angels will be there also..with or without wings..They will be happy to see mankind finally in the Heaven that God created for them and Jesus came down to buy for us with Hi9s blood..
That is why Christians celebrate Easter, and why we also celebrate Christmas, the birth of our Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ..(Christ meaning the Annointed One, the one with the power of the Holy Ghost)
There is only one book written by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost that records lives of the early people of God and the life and times of Jesus Christ our Savior, the founder of the Christian Church which has lasted continually for 2,000 years and that book is the Holy Bible...
I testify that the same spirit of Love that is in the Bible is also present in the Book of Mormon.
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What “spirit of love” would that be ???
You all can do a Tiillion renounces it won’t change my testimony that I received by the power of the Holy Ghost!
He is Triune...
God the Father, God thye Word (son) and God the Holy Ghost...
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Huh?
God the Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ His only begotten Son and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the second person of the Trinity...
He was the Word of God from the beginning...
When God spoke the world into being it was the WORD that He spoke, Jesus...
To deny that Jesus is the Word, the second person of the trinity, is to deny the very essense of God, anjd who Jesus is...
In the beginning God.. Genesis 1:1.
God = Elohim, is plural... not plural Gods, but plural in nature...three...the Trinity...
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:2, 3
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
The whole passage...
Jhn 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jhn 1:6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.
Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.
Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jhn 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Jhn 1:19 ¶ And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Jhn 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
Jhn 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Jhn 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
Jhn 1:23 He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Jhn 1:24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
Jhn 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
Jhn 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Jhn 1:27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
Jhn 1:28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
Jhn 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jhn 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Jhn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jhn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Jhn 1:35 ¶ Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
Jhn 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Jhn 1:37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
Jhn 1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where
Jhn 1:40 One of the two which heard John [speak], and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother.
Jhn 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
Jhn 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
Jhn 1:43 ¶ The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
Jhn 1:44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
Jhn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. John 1:1-45
God the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity...
The Holy Spirit is God...
Called the Holy Ghost in the KJV for clarity..
The job of the Holy Ghost...
John the Baptist said...
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire” Matthew 3:11
The job of the Holy Ghost...
To teach, lead, guide, tell us things...
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 4:1
The job of angels and angels are not dead men...
Angels ministered to Jesus...
Then the devil leaveth Him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto Him. Matthew 4:11
You all can do a Tiillion renounces it won’t change my testimony that I received by the power of the Holy Ghost!
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I dont think I have counted that high...
But God can denounce that unbelief of yours in less time...
Jesus who is the Word of God said “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:19, 20
Jesus who is the Word of God said ...
“Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Mark 16:15-18
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, He was received up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
Jesus who is the Word of God said. Mark 16:19
“These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.” Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
“Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
And He led them out as far as to Bethany, and He lifted up his hands, and blessed them. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen. Luke 24:44-53
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Acts 1:1-9
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) Acts 1:12-15
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4
Resty do you speak in tongues ???
As for the desciples in the Upper Room...
they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20
Resty are you doing the following ???
Jesus who is the Word of God said...
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:17, 18
Oh?
Why? Why are there so many non-religious Jews if the END is self-justifiaBLE?
What "good" has chr*stianity done the chr*stians?
It's saved our souls.
Has the Torah done that for Jews?
WoW!
Now you are sounding JEWISH!
Then you can post the Chapter and verse for the Lurkers to see for themselves; right?
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