Posted on 11/21/2009 4:02:44 PM PST by NYer
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You wrote:
“I specifically stated it was my personal belief, for there aren’t any Scriptures that say otherwise. Can you point to the Scriptures that say the unborn will be saved?”
I already answered your question. Unlike you I answered it in the first post after it was asked. I don’t evade questions like anti-Catholics always seem to.
Just to answer that question.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
It is so sad. Really.
I was healed in a Baptist Church of crippling arthritus. It wasn’t a Catholic church. I know for a fact that Father Gerigos laid hands on a friends daughter and she regained her sight...her brain stem actually regenerated. The catholic church wouldn’t let him hold the healing service so it was done in a full gospel baptist church.
SO, is it faith, Baptist churches, Catholic priest, etc. What was working for these incidents to occur?
So I guess my healing is a false one and the other is a real one.
I feel so very sorry for all of you that fight for your belief in Pepsi over Coke and are no further along than those that started the hundred years war.
Led astray? To say that you have to assume that 1. I was in the truth, and 2. I was duped or chose to betray my Messiah?
You don’t know me or my motives or my history.
Before you condemn me to whatever fate you think I deserve, why don’t you get to know me first before you pass judgement.
sad, so very immature.
Christ isn’t waiting because I haven’t left Him.
God Bless and good bye
I am sure he did. For every hyper-Catholic verse in the scripture there is a Protestant commentary that explains it away. Still, these are verses the direct reading of which is Catholic. You have to strain to arrive at a non-Catholic meaning.
The author of this article is a former Presbyterian minister. He has a radio show that I listen often and he likes to repeat these "aha!" verses. Surely he does not mean that no Protestant ever saw these verses at all. The one from Matthew 16 is of course everyone has an opinion about. The 2 Timothy 3:14f is one of the Protestants favorite verses to justify Sola Scriptura, so it is impossible to claim that they are little known. Rather, what Marcus is saying that they are never read by the Protestant partizans at their face meaning, but at some presumed meaning.
There are many others like that. I have my own collection.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Bump for later Sunday reading.
No problem. I guess it’s OK for others to call me a pro-abortionist, with zero comments in this (or any other) thread about abortion, though... Thanks!
You did? I must have missed it... Where does the Scripture say that Jesus saves the unborn?
I don’t evade questions like anti-Catholics always seem to.
On the contrary, Christians look to the Bible and the Words of Christ and answer directly, rather than the Cliff Notes edition called the Catechism and hide behind the robes of men hidden in edifices.
Now THAT is funny! Thanks for the link!
What we really need is a theologian with the “bent” of a Steven Wright... That’ll make everyone think!
On which post(s) did another Freeper accuse you, individually/personally, of being pro-abortion?
66, in a discussion about post 65 which was directed at me. Apparently I’m a Calvinist meaning I believe God sent abortionists to kill babies.
Post 66 is not attacking you personally but Calvinists, generally. And it is not calling you a Calvinist.
Well, it was referencing “he”, which clearly was me since it was a response to post 65. I don’t think it’s in question that the “he” referred to in post 66 is me, personally (see Petronski’s posts in this thread, as well as the short exchange between Vlad and myself which brought about Petronski’s post).
But it’s your call...
Um, a quadriplegic could still do good works by prayer for others, charitable donations, counseling the depressed, visiting the imprisoned, donating to help bury the dead, etc. I am not sure what being paralyzed has to do with it.
St. Paul tells us in I Corinthians 13 that “if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing” and that is why Catholics feel works are a NECESSARY outward sign of faith. Of course, faith comes first and the action is based on living the faith.
The good thief hanging beside Christ had faith and works and that is what saved him. He believed— but then he acted by asking Christ to help him and defending Him to the other thief. Had he remained a silent believer, it may have been a whole different story for him.
I challenge you to examine the Gospels and write the work “ACTION” in the margin wherever faith in action appears. The parables and Christ’s advice to the Apostles, the Sermon on the Mount, etc. You will be surprised at how often you are writing it. What is the Spirit trying to tell us? Action is required. Look at the exhortations of the Apostles in the Acts and the Epistles. Write “ACTION” everywhere they talk about doing something faith related. You will see it on almost every page! They did not tell the new converts to sit at home and scrutinize Scripture and argue over minute interpretations. They said to do good works for each other. For them, faith was not enough; they expected the new Christians to go out and evangelize and help each other and live the Gospel.
The Pharisees thought they were full of faith, and they were. They loved God, as they interpreted Him, very much. But Christ was clear that their misguided and strident faith was meaningless to God because they ACTED in unloving ways. They were proud and condescending and judgmental. Christ told us that not everyone who says, “Lord, Lord” will enter heaven. Clearly there is something beside faith required.
If you examine the New Testament with an open mind you will see that the Catholic interpretation of the importance of faith based ACTION is the best explanation of the Gospel and Christ’s intentions.
So, the good deeds that Bill Gates has done will earn him entry to Heaven?
“St. Paul tells us in I Corinthians 13 that “if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing” and that is why Catholics feel works are a NECESSARY outward sign of faith. Of course, faith comes first and the action is based on living the faith.”
IF that was Catholic teaching, then I would agree with it, as would most of the Reformers - certainly Calvin & Luther & folks like William Tyndale.
The Council of Trent said, “Canon 24: “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.” They are not, in Catholic teaching, the result of faith, but the means of it, and justification increases (as though it were a ledger of debt, not a rebirth!) by good works.
It also said, Canon 30: “If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.”
Faith - true, believing faith that changes lives - does not leave us with punishment from God to be paid in this world, or in some invention called Purgatory.
But I agree with you. “Saving repentance is a gospel grace by which we are made aware of the many evils of our sin by the Holy Spirit. By faith in Christ we humble ourselves over our sin with godly sorrow, hatred of it, and self-loathing. We pray for pardon and strength of grace, and determine and endeavour, by [the power] supplied by the Spirit, to walk before God and to please him in all things.”
From the 1689 Baptist Confession of FAith, http://www.grbc.net/about_us/1689.php?chapter=15
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