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Posted on 11/21/2009 4:02:44 PM PST by NYer
nice post on a bad day :) thx.
This is an interesting commentary on how a person can “see, but not see.” Surely Mr. Grodi had actually read through the Scriptural texts he cited many times, but he didn’t “see” them until something changed in his inner view.
My family reads the Bible steadily - a chapter or more a day, in addition to the daily lectionary - but I’m sure there are places where I’m reading the words, but not really assimilating what they should mean to me.
Then I would say that your biblical education was sorely lacking and very little effort was placed on apologetics.
Sadly, Christians (meaning both Catholic and Protestant) often neglect this important area of scripture, tending only to feed “milk of the word” to gain new believers. And for want of attention, the “meat of the word” gets neglected. Until someone else comes along with some new “insight” and sways those not ground in their faith, biblical understanding, and historical facts.
Amazing what you can find in the Bible if one actually READS it.
I would recommend to everyone to get a copy of the Chronological Bible and faithfully and prayerfully read it EVERY day.
That way you don’t miss anything and you’ll be surprised by nothing.
Almost as if a veil had be taken away. Like it says in 2 Corinthians 3.
I responded that she was one of a handful of people whose existence was foretold in the Bible, which made her very special.
BTW, neither one of us were Catholics ~ but the evening before I'd been reading Isaiah in The New American Bible (the authorized Catholic edition) and the exact same thought occurred to me then ~ that Mary was not just special, but very special.
His response was along the lines of "Did you notice that all the prophesies of a Messiah could as easily have applied to Mary as to Jesus"?
Which has been a question I've pondered for a very long time.
The Crucifix appears to be required as well ~ but I belong to a church that doesn't bother with belltowers and steeples, so we'll get to that one way down the road eh!
the key for most of our more strident separated brethern is the usual litany of:
1.out of context.
2. reinterpreted incorrectly by the catholics
3. repeat points one and two continuously.
Seeing that it took Protestant lives burning at the stake to print the Bible in english and distribute it to the masses, one now wonders if the Word shows that the same Protestants should now convert to the Roman Catholic Church?
Um...I’l pass. I grew up Catholic and it was the Protestant church that showed me what salvation was. The Catholic church only offered ritual.
Then there was ....That ole Martin Luther...never read the New Testament until he was preparing for his Doctorate in Theology....not that church either...
Well what church....the one in 2009? Must be that one cause the other churches are a bit flawed....I should have said charred.
Written by a person who has a shallow familiarity with
the Bible. One example.
The author makes 1 Timothy 3: 14-15 into a defense
of the Church over the Bible. By doing so, he is
implying the passage is referring to the Catholic
Church.
Unfortunately for this view, it completely misses
that the context of I Timothy 2:1-4:5 is instructions
concerning THE LIFE OF THE LOCAL CHURCH - not the
Catholic Church.
This is one more posting that attempts to say, the
Catholic Church is the only one, see! It would be
far better to simply go to God’s Word and accept
what it says without all the theatrics.
best,
ampu
When that scripture was written, there was only one church - the Catholic Church. Hence, it applies to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The person who wrote the article is far from shallow. He was an Evangelical minister who graduated from one of the top US seminaries.
The author complains about variations in interpretations, and then bases his whole premise on another variation of interpretation. Rather inconsistent, if you ask me...a pastor and retired evangelical Army chaplain of 30 years.
I do think that many Protestants find that the Catholics have erroneous taught of praying to Mary, the Apostles and the Saints. I would even call error on many Protestants who pray to Jesus.
Why? Simply put, I am a Christian. My faith follows the teachings of Jesus Christ and he taught us to pray to God (Lord's prayer). Not to himself, not to the Angels, not to Mary, not to anyone else. And given the choice between Jesus word and some old guy in Rome, I will side with Jesus each and every time.
Many Catholics and some Protestants take umbrage with that belief and then project a strawman argument that somehow, I believe that those that do not pray as I do ... somehow I believe that they are not saved. That is simply not true. Each will have to account for their own.
I believe that each and every person will answer for their own life and beliefs. No Pope, pastor or priest will intercede on my behalf and even if they did, it would do no good. I will not be able to intercede for my children, my friends or even my neighbors. I will have a hard enough time accounting for my own life and actions. The good news is that the only intercessor that I need, the only one that will count on Judgment Day, is that of my savior Jesus Christ.
ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!--Where pray tell does it EVER say that Mary would be bruised for ALL our inequities?????
You are right. The Crucifix is required for it was there that Mary stood in painful witness to the promises made by Simeon at the time of Christ's presentation in the Temple:
and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be contradicted (and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
Luke: 2:34-35
(NOTE: Always look for the word "sign" ~ sometimes that's meant quite literally, not metaphorically.)
There's room for debate but I'm not debating that point ~ we are, instead discussing previously overlooked but very important scripture, and how it happens that we suddenly realize what was said.
Someday we'll discuss your question but this is not the time.
Sometimes we just can't keep the guys out but attempts are made to keep it pure.
Many people don't understand that ~
Then there are the relatives who don't believe in marking graves with headstones ~
Sometimes we just can't keep the guys out but attempts are made to keep it pure.
Many people don't understand that ~
Then there are the relatives who don't believe in marking graves with headstones ~
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