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Perfect Storm? After a quiet summer, clouds gather over Rome...
Inside the Vatican ^
| September 24, 2009
| Robert Moynihan
Posted on 09/24/2009 12:31:05 PM PDT by NYer
A storm is about to be unleashed on the Pope, the Vatican, and, by extension, the Catholic Church.
The first drops of rain have just fallen, with public accusations that the Pope lied this winter in connection with the "Williamson affair." (see below)
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What is it about?
Whether this storm will "blow over," or intensify into a "perfect storm," only time will tell.
But whatever happens, there is this to keep in mind: many, inside and outside of the Church, would like the Church's traditional liturgy, known as the Latin Mass -- the old liturgy celebrated up until 1970, and two years ago designated by Pope Benedict XVI as the "extraordinary rite" of the Mass -- to disappear.
And they are irritated that Benedict -- against many and vociferous objections -- "restored" the old liturgy, which many thought had been buried definitively.
As strange as it may seem, this battle is in part about that -- about the survival of the Church's old liturgy -- about her way of worshipping God.
But when I say this, I do not mean to downplay other, quite obvious concerns, for example, the tense situation in the Middle East, or in the world economy.
I mean to say that, on a fundamental level, it is not simply a political or economic battle, as important as political and economic factors are, but a spiritual battle.
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Is Rome alone?
And at a time like this, when many forces in the West (the European Union, the new US administration) seem to be aligning themselves in favor of a thoroughly secularized "new world order," the ally most helpful to Rome may well be the ally who still celebrates a divine liturgy which has not been modernized: the Orthodox.
And the most numerous and powerful of the Orthodox are the Russians.
In this perspective, these attacks on the Pope and the Vatican may drive Rome to ally herself, after a thousand years of separation, with Contantinople, and with Moscow -- reuniting the "three Romes"...
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The allegation this morning is that Vatican officials (but not the Pope) lied when they said this winter that no one in the Vatican knew about Bishop Richard Williamson's views about the Holocaust when the Pope decided to lift his excommication on January 24.
However, this allegation has been exploited by the Church's current antagonist in Italy, Prime Minsiter Silvio Berlusconi, through his media empire, to suggest that the Pope, too, lied.
Here is the headline being run right now on Google news:
By KARL RITTER (AP) 4 hours ago
STOCKHOLM A Swedish TV program to be aired Wednesday (Note: today) claims that top Vatican officials knew that an ultraconservative British bishop was a Holocaust-denier when his excommunication was lifted in January. The program, which was obtained by The Associated Press prior to broadcast, could add new fuel to the controversy over Bishop Richard Williamson.
Jews and Catholics worldwide were outraged after Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication of Williamson, along with three other ultraconservative bishops, in an attempt to bring dissidents back into the mainstream church.
The order, dated Jan. 21, came as Sweden's SVT aired an interview recorded two months earlier in which Williamson said he didn't believe any Jews were killed in gas chambers during World War II.
Vatican officials have said they didn't know about the interview at the time. Benedict later condemned Williamson's remarks and spoke out against anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial.
Yet in a follow-up report, SVT says the Vatican had been informed of Williamson's Holocaust-denial shortly after the interview was recorded in November. It doesn't suggest, however, that the pope knew about the remarks.
The program singles out Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, who had been leading efforts to heal the schism with the ultraconservative Society of St. Pius X. The Vatican announced in July that Castrillon Hoyos was stepping down after reaching the customary retirement age of 80.
The SVT program says Sweden's Catholic diocese informed the apostolic nuncio the Vatican envoy to Sweden about Williamson's remarks and that he in turn informed Vatican officials, including Castrillon Hoyos...
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The Italian Front: "He Lied"
The second allegation is that the Pope himself knew.
This allegation made headlines today in Italy, where the Catholic Church and the Italian government of Prime Minister Berlusconi have been sparring for months over Berlusconi's immiration policies and his alleged sexual impropriety. This morning, Berlusconi (or those close to him) took the gloves off.
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Here, in better times, Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi greets Pope Benedict XVI in Cagliari on the Italian island of Sardinia in this September 7, 2008, photo -- CNS photo/Reuters)
For the first time in the many months of acrimony, Berlusconi (or his associates) directly attacked the Pope. This escalates the battle.
Il Giornale, a newspaper owned by Berlusconi's family, carried the exaggerated headline "He Lied" ("Ha mentito"), referring to the Pope and his handling of the "Williamson affair."
(Below is a photo from three weeks ago of women reading Il Giornale. The Sept. 3 newspaper front page has a picture of Dino Boffo, editor of the Catholic newspaper Avvenire. Boffo resigned from Avvenire, the newspaper of the Italian bishops' conference, in a row that has strained relations between the Vatican and the Italian government -- CNS photo/Stefano Rellandini, Reuters)
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Here are a few lines from a British newspaper today explaining this story:
Silvio Berlusconi turns his guns on Pope Benedict XVI
The Italian newspaper Il Giornale
, owned by the family of Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi, carries a headline today dominated by the words Ha mentito
- he lied, referring to Pope Benedict XVI. The paper is busy stirring up trouble over the claims by Swedish TV, due to be aired tonight, that the Vatican knew in advance about the Holocaust-denying background of Bishop Richard Williamson before his excommunication was lifted.
The words he lied are admittedly taken from the programme. But its a malicious allegation: Benedict has told no lies whatsoever regarding this matter, even if Vatican officials working for him have a case to answer.The background you need to know is that Il Giornale has been engaged in a furious battle with Vatican Radio and the Catholic newspaper Avvenire, whose editor Dino Boffo it forced to resign after claiming he was a homosexual with a police record. Avvenire, not coincidentally, had consistently opposed Berlusconi, with the backing of the Italian Bishops Conference.
That struggle, which is part of a left-right, secular-Catholic battle at the heart of Italian society and government, has already damaged relations between the gruesomely oversexed Berlusconi and the Holy Father...
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One consideration is the Italian situation.
There isn't space or time here to go into the entire sordid affair. Suffice it to say that a rift between the Vatican and the government of Silvio Berlusconi has now become a chasm.
Since the Vatican, humanly speaking, is a tiny state entirely surrounded by Italian territory, it is naturally always a hope of the Vatican to be on close and friendly terms with the Italian government.
Therefore, this deteriorating relationship with the Italian governement led by Berlusconi is a real concern.
A second consideration is the relationship of the Vatican to the world Jewish community.
The re-emergence of the "Williamson affair" under these circumstances, with new allegations, shows that the "affair" was not settled in March, when the Pope on March 12 issued a dramatic letter of apology to the bishops of the Church.
Here are some key lines from that March 12 letter:
"An unforeseen mishap for me was the fact that the Williamson case came on top of the remission of the excommunication," the Pope wrote.
"I have been told that consulting the information available on the internet would have made it possible to perceive the problem early on. I have learned the lesson that in the future in the Holy See we will have to pay greater attention to that source of news. I was saddened by the fact that even Catholics who, after all, might have had a better knowledge of the situation, thought they had to attack me with open hostility.
"Precisely for this reason I thank all the more our Jewish friends, who quickly helped to clear up the misunderstanding and to restore the atmosphere of friendship and trust which as in the days of Pope John Paul II has also existed throughout my pontificate and, thank God, continues to exist."
Will the world Jewish community come to the Pope's defense?
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A third consideration is the relationship between traditional Catholics, now un-excommunicated, and those we may call "conciliar" Catholics.
Is this case only about Williamson and his views, or are the "conciliar" Catholics actually unwilling to accept the readmission of "traditionalist" Catholics into communion with Rome, and themselves?
In this regard, a question arrises: who is really behind the re-emergence of attacks on the Pope for his January 24 action in un-excommunicating the four Lefebvrist bishops?
It isn't fully clear.
But it has been reported in the La Stampa of Milan, Italy, that the Catholic bishop of Stockholm, Anders Arborelius, is in a very cordial relationship with the Swedish TV -- and that he is a firm opponent of the Society of St. Pius X (the SSPX).
Arborelius said Wednesday in a statement posted on his diocese's website that he was aware of negationist remarks Williamson made to an investigative news program filmed by Swedish public television SVT in November 2008 and which aired on January 21, 2009.
Arborelius wrote: "The content of the interview with Richard Williamson ... was sent to the Vatican in November 2008, forewarning that the program with the Holocaust denial would be broadcast on January 21, 2009.
"We, at the diocese office in Stockholm, as we always do in matters of the Church, had forwarded the information we had about SSPX and Richard Williamson, including what we knew about the content in the interview Uppdrag Granskning had with him, to the Vatican," Arborelius said.
"I want to underline that forwarding information to the Vatican is pure routine, and not something exceptional for this case," he added.
(Of course, it is evident that such information could possibly have been held up on one desk or another, and never reached the Pope or his top advisors.)
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A fourth consideration is the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church to the world's Orthodox Churches.
It became clear last week, during a very cordial visit to Rome by a representative of the Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, that relations between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, especially Russian Orthodoxy, at least on the surface, are much improved over the past few years.
Here are excerpts from an account of that visit I wrote for the Monday, September 21 edition of the Zenit news agency:
Recent Meeting Could Mark Turning Point
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On September 18, inside Castel Gandolfo, the Pope's summer palace about 30 miles outside Rome, a Russian Orthodox Archbishop named
Hilarion Alfeyev (
photo), 43 (a scholar, theologian, expert on the liturgy, composer and lover of music), met with
Benedict XVI, 82 (also a scholar, theologian, expert on the liturgy and lover of music), for almost two hours, according to informed sources.
(There are as yet no "official" sources about this meeting -- the Holy See has still not released an official communiqué.)
The silence suggests that what transpired was important -- perhaps so important that the Holy See thinks it isn't yet prudent to reveal publicly what was discussed.
But there are numerous "signs" that the meeting was remarkably harmonious...
In memory of the visit, Archbishop Hilarion gave the Pope a pectoral cross, made in workshops of Russian Orthodox Church...
It is especially significant, in this context, that Hilarion, Patriarch Kirill's "Foreign Minister," has some of the same deep interests as Benedict XVI: the liturgy, and music.
"As a 15-year-old boy I first entered the sanctuary of the Lord, the Holy of Holies of the Orthodox Church, Hilarion once wrote about the Orthodox liturgy. But it was only after my entrance into the altar that the 'theourgia,' the mystery, and 'feast of faith' began, which continues to this very day.
"After my ordination, I saw my destiny and main calling in serving the Divine Liturgy. Indeed, everything else, such as sermons, pastoral care and theological scholarship were centered around the main focal point of my life -- the liturgy."
These words seem to echo the feelings and experiences of Benedict XVI, who has written that the liturgies of Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday in Bavaria when he was a child were formative for his entire being, and that his writing on the liturgy (one of his books is entitled "Feast of Faith") is the most important to him of all his scholarly endeavors.
"Orthodox divine services are a priceless treasure that we must carefully guard," Hilarion has written. "I have had the opportunity to be present at both Protestant and Catholic services, which were, with rare exceptions, quite disappointing
Since the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council, services in some Catholic churches have become little different from Protestant ones."
Again, these words of Hilarion seem to echo Benedict XVI's own concerns. The Pope has made it clear that he wishes to reform the Catholic Church's liturgy, and preserve what was contained in the old liturgy and now risks being lost.
Hilarion has cited the Orthodox St. John of Kronstadt approvingly. St. John of Kronstadt wrote: "The Church and its divine services are an embodiment and realization of everything in Christianity... It is the divine wisdom, accessible to simple, loving hearts."
These words echo words written by Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, who often said that the liturgy is a "school" for the simple Christian, imparting the deep truths of the faith even to the unlearned through its prayers, gestures and hymns.
Hilarion in recent years has become known for his musical compositions, especially for Christmas and for Good Friday, celebrating the birth and the Passion of Jesus Christ. These works have been performed in Moscow and in the West, in Rome in March 2007 and in Washington DC in December 2007.
Closer relations between Rome and Moscow, then, could have profound implications also for the cultural and liturgical life of the Church in the West. There could be a renewal of Christian art and culture, as well as of faith...
(Here is a link to the complete article:
http://www.zenit.org/article-26932?l=english.)
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As I said at the outset, the "Williamson affair," and the effort to ascertain what the Vatican knew, and when, about Williamson's views, may continue to dominate news headlines, or it may pass away into silence. Time will tell.
But the re-emergence of the issue reminds us that there is a larger battle occurring, a battle for the "deposit of the faith," a battle for our tradition and the beliefs handed down to us from the Apostles, and it is that battle that we should be aware of and concerned about.
Last week, I had a wonderful and productive meeting in New Rochelle, New York, with Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, 86, who has given me some documents which may help me to understand better the history of the Church in our time.
I will be returning to Rome soon, God willing, and reporting on these documents, and on other matters which I have left unfinished.
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He that takes truth for his guide, and duty for his end, may safely trust to God's providence to lead him aright. Blaise Pascal (French mathematician, philosopher, physicist and writer, 1623-1662)
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To: NYer; Jedidah
"I would suggest you start with 2 Peter 1:20 which does not condone private interpretation of Scripture..."
Prophecy of Scripture......
2 Peter 1:21
20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. *
Big difference.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:07:32 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OpusatFR
The old pope is demonized, marginalized and persecuted. So are the faithful. At least we're in good company!
We all have to accept that we're going to die. This lets us be at peace, and that gives us the edge.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:24:41 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Steam goes up, water goes down, and you shouldn't hit catz.)
To: Scythian
You wrote:
“The worship of Mary stems from the mistranslation in Genesis, it was he not She will crush his scull ...”
What worship of Mary?
To: Jedidah
NYer probably has read scripture more than you have.
Prophecy of Scripture:
2 Peter
2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Sects of perdition are destructive heresies.
And there are lots and lots of sects out there now. Most from the 1600s.
Sola, every man his own pope; every man his own prophet
as his spirit sees fit.
The Holy Spirit does not and cannot give divided interpretations of Scripture.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:34:00 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
To: austinrepub; NYer
Hey guys — we’re in agreement!
My Bible — and yours — was written by inspired men of God and compiled by the early Church. I think our only difference is that I read it and believe it and obey it, but some folks on this thread follow myths and fables and religious politics instead.
Kinda like the Pharisees. (Read about them in the Gospels, written by apostles and first-century disciples, compiled by your spiritual forefathers.)
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:35:05 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: vladimir998
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:36:08 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: OpusatFR
Op —
There have been sects since the early days. Read again the letters to the seven churches that John penned while on Patmos. Look at the history of the first millennium, at how so-called Christians were burning each other. What a shame to the name of our Lord.
Christ prayed beautifully for unity, recorded by John in chapter 17 of his gospel. Those of us who wear his name have in common not men’s traditions or legends of history, but a faith that the promises made to the Patriarchs came true in the birth, death, and resurrection of the Son of Man.
Scripture tells that story. It is our common ground, and my only allegiance is to the Lord. Yours should be to, not to some guys in funny garb who covet earthly power and make up new rules in Rome.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:43:34 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: Jedidah
All of us, NYer especially have a very very good understanding of Scripture.
What we don’t have is the hubris and pride that goes along with personal interpretations, and I don’t call people nasty names.
There have been heresies since the early days.
“my only allegiance is to the Lord.:”
So is mine. And has been for a very long time.
“Yours should be to, not to some guys in funny garb who covet earthly power and make up new rules”
May God rebuke you for such lies. Your allegiance is to your interpretation of the god that lies between your ears.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:49:54 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
To: Jedidah
This might be a good time to repost a link to a classic FR graphic:
;-)
To: Jedidah
not to some guys in funny garb who covet earthly power and make up new rules in Rome.****************
You were doing well until that last part.
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posted on
09/24/2009 2:54:35 PM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: Dr. Brian Kopp
It looks good but I hear that it can rot your brain.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:16:36 PM PDT
by
tiki
(True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
To: OpusatFR
Op, I didn’t call anybody a nasty name, and you know that.
I don’t know why you are so hung up on “interpretations.” Apparently someone has frightened you or warned you away from reading the ancient words of God. That is sad indeed.
The Father who created us all and who inspired His disciples to pen His words loves us. He does not make scripture too hard to understand.
Sure, self-absorbed men have always found ways to argue. But have you ever read the Bible cover to cover? If not, why not?
Have a little faith. Let our Lord speak to you through his Holy Word. Shed your fear. It’s not hard. He makes it easy. And you will be richly rewarded.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:17:24 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: trisham
You are right. I should not have said that. Sorry that I offended, because I’m a really nice person and don’t like to hurt or be hurt.
I just get so discouraged when men claim to stand between believers and the Lord. It was a problem in the time of Jesus, too. Nothing new under the sun, as Solomon said.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:22:29 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: Jedidah
“Op, I didnt call anybody a nasty name, and you know that.”
You referred to us as pharisees and in the biblical context of phariseeism, that is a slur.
“I dont know why you are so hung up on interpretations. Apparently someone has frightened you or warned you away from reading the ancient words of God. That is sad indeed.”
You assume a lot.
Pride of presumption is very serious. I’d suggest you look to yourself.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:24:57 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
To: Jedidah
Apology accepted. I do appreciate your conversation regarding this issue.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:25:46 PM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: NYer
"Orthodox divine services are a priceless treasure that we must carefully guard," Hilarion has written. "I have had the opportunity to be present at both Protestant and Catholic services, which were, with rare exceptions, quite disappointing
Since the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council, services in some Catholic churches have become little different from Protestant ones."
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:37:55 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
To: steve86
“When we journeyed among the Bulgars, we beheld how they worship in their temple, called a mosque, while they stand ungirt.
The Bulgarian bows, sits down, looks hither and thither like one possessed, and there is no happiness among them, but instead only sorrow and a dreadful stench.
Then we went among the Germans, and saw them performing many ceremonies in their temples; but we beheld no glory there.
Then we went on to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth.
For on earth there is no such splendour or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it.
We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations.”
The report of the envoys of Prince Vladimir of Kiev upon their return from Constantinople in 987.
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posted on
09/24/2009 3:51:38 PM PDT
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: OpusatFR
Do you realize that many of the Pharisees were God-loving, God-fearing, honest and honorable men? Paul was a Pharisee. So was Nicodemus.
Other Pharisees, however, got caught up in power and in enforcing traditions that had developed through the ages as though they were the Word of God.
If you will read the Gospels, you will see time and again that Jesus spent much of his ministry setting them straight, showing them that a believer’s obedient heart trumps man-made rules and regulations.
Matthew 15: 8-9 — “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
Those to whom I referred as modern-day Pharisees are those who clutter the simple truth of God’s Word with man-made rules, imposing them on believers as did those religious rulers in the time of Christ. Since it didn’t occur to me that you might be one of them, I was not referring to you.
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posted on
09/24/2009 4:25:31 PM PDT
by
Jedidah
To: Jedidah
Your meaning was very clear in your usage. It was a slur.
“Matthew 15: 8-9 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Thank goodness the Catholic does not do that. Goodnight.
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posted on
09/24/2009 5:13:36 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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