Bible can only be understood with the Church, Pope tells scholars (CATHOLIC CAUCUS)

CNA ^ | 4/23/2009

[markomalley]

Please note: this is a Catholic Caucus thread (per RM rules of engagement)

[steve86]

Some non-Catholics are going to be foaming at the mouth to post after reading the title. Caucus thread, too bad.

[Secret Agent Man]

What prevents anyone from posting the same article in a non-caucus thread and saying what they want about it?

[steve86]

Probably nothing, just as nothing prevents us from NOT reading THAT thread.

[Tax-chick]

[Salvation]

**Benedict XVI began by underlining the importance of the chosen theme, which “concerns not only believers, but the Church herself, because the Church’s life and mission necessarily rest upon the Word of God … .” **

Shocker to some! But not to us!

[Jeff Chandler]

What prevents anyone from posting the same article in a non-caucus thread and saying what they want about it?

It would be locked as a duplicate post.

[Religion Moderator]

This Religion Forum thread is tagged "Catholic Caucus."

If you are not Catholic, do not post on this thread.

Also, because this is a caucus - do not compare beliefs or speak in behalf of any other belief. If you do, the caucus may be broken, because the other believers would then have an interest in speaking for themselves.

Finally, if you are not Catholic and wish to discuss the subject on an "open" thread - then find a similar article and post it as "open" in the Religion Forum. But do not post the same article.

[delacoert]

By all of that you merely affirm that the magistrate is capable of being affected both from within and without.

My comment makes no sense now that prior post has been deleted. Please feel free to delete my posts from this thread. :(

[delacoert]

Shocker to some! But not to us!

Now of course the promise of Christ cannot fail: hence when the Church presents some doctrine as definitive or final, it comes under this protection, it cannot be in error; in other words, it is infallible. This is true even if the Church does not use the solemn ceremony of definition. The day to day teaching of the Church throughout the world, when the Bishops are in union with each other and with the Pope, and present something as definitive, this is infallible.

Taken from The Basic Catholic Catechism
PART FIVE: The Apostles' Creed IX - XII
Ninth Article: "The Holy Catholic Church; the Communion of Saints"
By William G. Most. (c) Copyright 1990 by William G. Most.

[D-fendr]

I think this does not exclude a more personal meaning, additional meaning, as for example in Lectio Divina. However, this would not be, and certainly not be taught as, the Church’s interpretation.

[Centurion2000]

I am going to respectfully, but vehemently disagree with the Pope on this one.

I have a Bible, a brain and prayer. NO ONE aside from Jesus Christ himself needs to come between me and God.

[markomalley]

I am going to respectfully, but vehemently disagree with the Pope on this one.

I have a Bible, a brain and prayer. NO ONE aside from Jesus Christ himself needs to come between me and God.

I don't think that this is what the article is saying.

[Cronos]

I love this Pope -- I was there for Holy Week this year and in the crowd on Wednesday and for the grande masses. It was fantastic being in the crowd shouting out Pere Beneditto!

About this matter, he is absolutely right -- the scriptures were given by God and we as an individual can only understand a small part of the hugeness that is God, but we can, as a group, as a community, understand a larger part of the vastness that is the divinity.

[Cronos]

No one mortal will come between you and God. The article says that WE (not “I”) have the Bible, a collective brain and collective prayer. To come together as a family and understand the vastness of the divinity together is what the article says we need to do — to understand it IN the Church, not to listen to some priest without bothering to understand it on our own. Even the priest is just a mortal and would welcome our joy in learning together.

[marshmallow]

I have a Bible, a brain and prayer. NO ONE aside from Jesus Christ himself needs to come between me and God.

Nobody is trying to come between you and God.

This idea holds water only if you view the Church as an obstacle on the road to heaven, rather than an assistance. The Church exists, not to deprive of us of the truth or to hide it from us, but rather to safeguard it and transmit it untainted to our children.

The Church is not the government which wants to take your money and curtail your freedoms. The Church is a father.......a mother........someone wiser than you who wants to preserve you from danger and guide you along the safe path rather than allow you to wander down blind alleys which unguided and left to our own devices, we often do.

[trisham]

Nobody is trying to come between you and God.

This idea holds water only if you view the Church as an obstacle on the road to heaven, rather than an assistance. The Church exists, not to deprive of us of the truth or to hide it from us, but rather to safeguard it and transmit it untainted to our children.

The Church is not the government which wants to take your money and curtail your freedoms. The Church is a father.......a mother........someone wiser than you who wants to preserve you from danger and guide you along the safe path rather than allow you to wander down blind alleys which unguided and left to our own devices, we often do.

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Beautifully said.