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Old-Earth Creationism
ICR ^ | March 2009 | Old-Earth Creationism by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/25/2009 9:09:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Old-Earth Creationism

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Many evangelical leaders today, unfortunately, have capitulated to the evolutionary timescale of modern unbelieving geologists and astronomers. They feel that they must somehow reinterpret the Genesis record of creation to allow for billions of prehistoric years, which the evolutionists must have in order to make cosmic evolution and biological evolution seem feasible. This compromise is necessary, they say, in order to win scientists and other intellectuals to the Lord...

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: creation; creativeevolution; darwin; darwinianevolution; dayage; evolution; gaptheory; hughross; humor; idfollies; intelligentdesign; multiplecreation; pantheisticevolution; processcreation; progressivecreati; progressivecreation; punctuational; theisticevolution; yecmoronswithphds
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To: campaignPete R-CT

http://www.ucmpage.org/articles/tgraffagnino16.html

people are allowed to discuss these matters ... even Gould. The emotionalism that the topic produces is comical.


141 posted on 03/26/2009 9:21:16 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: editor-surveyor

survey,
liberals are the ones who go balistic if you disagree with them. They cannot stand it. I think they are trained to be like that.

we don’t have to emulate the libs in our behavior. it’s okay.


142 posted on 03/26/2009 9:23:12 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT

So, you found someone who agrees with you.


143 posted on 03/26/2009 9:27:44 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Explain to me how the immune system is destroyed in the first place, according to you.

I first asked for a mechanism. You came up with a possible method. Now back it up with details and reproducible data. When you do, then I will back up my mechanism with reproducible data.

To me tactics such as yours show that you have no knowledge of even basic biological processes.

The process of tumor resistance has been known for years.

My father died of lung cancer in 1990, it was well known then. I was discussing the drugs they used and the big possibility of resistance with his doctor then.I explained to him how the drugs worked and he said it helped him not to be scared of the chemo.


144 posted on 03/26/2009 9:32:16 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: editor-surveyor

Riiiiiiiiight.......just like “DNA prevents evolution.”


145 posted on 03/26/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Indeed, I find it amusing when Creationists tip their hand and start referring to any science they disagree with or any scientist whose findings are uncomfortable to them an “evolutionists”.

I am sure that astronomers would be baffled and amused at the description of them as “evolutionists”.

And do Creationists also feel that a literal interpretation of scripture was “compromised” when all but a few dead ender whack jobs abandoned the notion that the Earth was immobile?

Psalm 104:5 He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever.

146 posted on 03/26/2009 9:42:52 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: dddanonymous

What I think he’s trying to point out is that while you are correct that the bible is not a science book, where the bible deals with things that touch on science, it is right. It isn’t a law book either, but where the bible touches on morality and the law, it is right. It is not a self-help book, but where it touches on how to lead a good life and stay out of trouble, it is right. It is not a history book, but when it discusses events and people and the things that happened to them, the who-what-why-when-where, it is right. It is not a book about business and money, but where it discusses business and the proper role of money, it is right.


147 posted on 03/26/2009 9:43:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: editor-surveyor
This is obviously just a protection mechanism that God placed in a necessary organism

Obviously. So where is your proof?

148 posted on 03/26/2009 9:45:11 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You always single out evolution, but what of the other branches of science that conflict with the Bible? Meteorology, Geology, Geography, Biology, Zoology, Astronomy, etc. Wouldn’t they all be invalid in your eyes as well?


149 posted on 03/26/2009 9:50:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PatHimself

The Roman church was wrong on this and they should have known better, because if they would have read the bible more carefully they would have found the correct answer:

Isaiah 40:22 (discussing the creation of the earth): It is He who sits above the circle of the earth.

So don’t play this off as the bible being wrong, it was the fact that church leaders at that time didn’t know their bible as well as they should have.


150 posted on 03/26/2009 9:51:04 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Islander7
"The levels of antibiotics in the environment are so low as to be non existent."

Breathtaking denial of reality! - Enjoy! (I hope you don't get educated the hard way)

151 posted on 03/26/2009 9:53:12 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

Breathtaking denial of reality! - Enjoy! (I hope you don’t get educated the hard way)...”

OK! I have been patient and polite. You are coming off like an angry, ignorant tyrant. How dare anyone question you or challenge you!

Proof! Show me proof of my denial of reality! If you can’t (and you can’t) that puts everything you have stated in question.

Proof, prove me wrong.


152 posted on 03/26/2009 9:58:50 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: DannyTN
They believe the ice age was a post flood event and a direct result of the ice age.

This doesn't make sense to me....the ice age was a post flood event and the ice age was a direct result of the ice age? You trying to say that the Flood was just a period between ice ages? (I'm not sure if there is enough "ice" to flood the entire earth anyway, but God could create water and then take it away)..............and your constant use of "they" tells me you don't believe as such?

My problem with the young earth theory and -ists is that it is exactly like the ID theory. They start with the conclusion that the Earth is 6000 years old and instead of actually looking for evidence proving it (because you cannot), they then try to poke holes in other theories and think that proves their pre-determined conclusion is correct. CArbon-14 dating isn't perfect down to the single year, so that means one can make it all up and be "right." Carbon readings say something is 200,000-300,000 years old.....well, that's too big a range, so 6000 is correct.

If you start with the conclusion that there is a Design......then ANYTHING complex or not understood at that time can be deemed "part of the Design"....more importantly, anything that shows any other theory to not be a perfect theory now proves ID to be true.

That very simply ain't science.

....and the GWT is bunk, generated by politicians and massive wads of research $$$$ to lefty researchers. Anyone in ANY scientific field can look at the raw data and laugh.

153 posted on 03/26/2009 10:07:12 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: Islander7

Cool off!

You’re way over the edge.


154 posted on 03/26/2009 10:07:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: MilicaBee

Acts Chapter 8... the Ethiopian Eunuch... Goes hand in hand with Romans 10:15-15. Philip was a missionary and was divinely appointed to be in the right place at the right time to witness/preach to the Eunuch. The Eunuch had been to Jerusalem, and had seen and been reading Isaiah. And along comes Philip, at just the right time, to witness to the Eunuch.

This is the roll of all believers - to share the word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Sometimes it might very well be with someone who has been investigating and searching (evidence that God has already been working on them through the Holy Spirit), and sometimes it will be with someone who has never read a single verse of the Bible.

But to stretch Acts 8 into a defense of the Catholic Apostolic tradition and succession... is misuse of God’s word and completely ignores the fact that God calls ALL believers into a form of priesthood. All believers are Ambassadors of Christ.

Christ Himself promised the Holy Spirit to us - as our guide.


155 posted on 03/26/2009 10:22:56 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Non-Sequitur

==You always single out evolution, but what of the other branches of science that conflict with the Bible? Meteorology, Geology, Geography, Biology, Zoology, Astronomy, etc.

Evolutionary thinking has invaded every aspect of the sciences. When the Evos speak about cosmology, they speak of cosmic evolution. When they speak of chemistry, the speak in terms of chemical evolution. When the speak of astronomy, they speak of stellar and planetary evolution. When they speak of origin of life questions, they speak in terms of organic evolution.


156 posted on 03/26/2009 10:23:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evolutionary thinking has invaded every aspect of the sciences. When the Evos speak about cosmology, they speak of cosmic evolution. When they speak of chemistry, the speak in terms of chemical evolution. When the speak of astronomy, they speak of stellar and planetary evolution. When they speak of origin of life questions, they speak in terms of organic evolution.

But all those other branches of science have at their core scientific theories that conflict with Biblical teachings. According to meteorology, Noah's flood is impossible. According to geology the world is millions of years old. Zoology can trace an evolutionary trail for hundreds of different species. According to Astronomy the earth revolves around the sun. Virtually all of science conflicts with the Bible in some way or another. Yet you target only one branch of it. Curious.

157 posted on 03/26/2009 10:30:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: guitarplayer1953
The bible speaks of a time before of great kingdoms and such I believe it is in Jeremiah or Isiah.

The Bible does have references to the age before this one. Consider too that, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth," yet He doesn't tell us when that beginning was...just that there was one.

158 posted on 03/26/2009 10:31:27 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Non-Sequitur
You are quite mistaken. According to evolutionary meteorology, Noah's flood is impossible. According to evolutionary geology the world is millions of years old. Etc, etc. When you look at the same data from a Creation Science perspective, we find that the biblical creation model is far superior to the materialistic fairytales being pumped out by Temple of Darwin devotees in white lab coats.
159 posted on 03/26/2009 10:42:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Secret Agent Man

Copernicus: “After his father’s death, he was raised by his mother’s brother, a bishop in the Catholic Church. Copernicus studied mathematics and astronomy at the University of Krakow. Through his uncle’s influence Copernicus was appointed a canon (church official) of the Catholic Church. He used the income from the position to help pay for additional studies”

dude, don’t blame the Catholics for the flat-earthers.

http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/whos_who_level2/copernicus.html


160 posted on 03/26/2009 10:45:27 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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