Catholics & Salvation; And the answer is: Maybe.

Stand To Reason ^ | Gregory Koukl

[Petronski]

Deny the gift of your free will all you want. You still have free will.

A smart man would wonder how something that has at least a 50-50 chance of sending a person to hell for all eternity could be called, by any stretch of the imagination, a "gift."

No, only a complete idiot would wonder that. It is not free will that sends souls to hell, but the evil choices they used their free will to make.

[OLD REGGIE]

I find many people on these threads, are absolutely 100 percent convinced that their perspective is the only true perspective and that everyone else is wrong, who disagrees with them...

I don't know about "many people". I think most fair minded Protestants and Catholics are open to salvation for "believers" of either persuasion. There are always a few radicals but I'm not seeing many of them here.

In fact I know of no non-Catholic who claims his Church was founded by Christ in AD 32 and named a temporal leader. Do you?

One thing for certain, a "Cafeteria Catholic" is nothing but a Catholic in name only (CINO).

To become a convert while rejecting two or three Dogma's is not being true to the Catholic Church or to yourself.

[tiki]

This is why they aren’t Catholics they read the Catechism the same way they read the Bible. A verse here, a paragraph there and they have whatever they want.

[Petronski]

In fact I know of no non-Catholic who claims his Church was founded by Christ in AD 32 and named a temporal leader.

Why would any non-Catholic claim that? Christ only founded ONE church, the Catholic Church, with Peter I as His vicar.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Of course it's all well and good to "consider what people say."

Ultimately none of that matters. What matters is what God says in Scripture and makes come alive in your heart through the Holy Spirit.

May God lead your study.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -- John 6:63

[daniel1212]

What is the source and idea behind the Notre Dame gargoyles (picture please)?

[Quix]

You may be aware I have fiercely criticized idolatrous attitudes and behaviors even in Pentecostalism . . . and every other “Christian” -ism.

[Petronski]

ROTFL who's too ashamed, dear heart?

The one who posted XXV I-V and pointedly omitted VI.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

One hopes that Catholics can understand the difference between regarding a statue and falling down to your knees in front of that statue and praying to that statue and asking for intercession from the dead person represented by that statue when only God receives our prayers.

You're correct, however, that the Reformation was waged on differences like this.

[Petronski]

The Mother of God and the Saints are not dead.

[wagglebee]

Gothic architects believed that gargoyles were good ways to warn illiterate Christians.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Prove to you, with you as judge? Riiight.

lol. No one has to "prove" anything to the people participating on this thread.

It's just that comments with Scriptural support addressing the question are usually taken more seriously than posts without either comment or Scripture.

When all you do is bracket the Scripture I give with more Scripture, and offer no explanation as to why that should change the point I'm making, your post remains meaningless.

[andysandmikesmom]

Indeed it is true that what anyone says, does not matter ultimately...,...but I take what people say, and then weigh it against, what I read in the Bible, and try to test it’s veracity.... and I do believe that what comes alive in my heart will be through the Holy Spirit....

But of course, regardless of which side I come down on, there will be those, with whom I disagree, who will say I was listening to a spirit other than the Holy Spirit, and there will be others, with whom I may agree, that will say, I was listening to the Holy Spirit....

And so it will go on...

Anyway thanks for your good wishes for me...

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The church of Jesus Christ exists on earth. It is just not limited to the edifices Rome builds. In fact, it very often shows itself not to be found there at all, due to the many idolatrous beliefs Rome encourages.

All who have been graced by God with true faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior are members of His church.

[andysandmikesmom]

I will study, I will read, I will consider others worthwhile discussions, and then with prayer, I will ask for guidance, and remain true to myself, and where I feel I am led to be...

[OLD REGGIE]

Yes, I agree the RCC says baptism erases original sin. I'm sorry if my point was not clear.

Yes, you made a mistake and Petronski, though being fully aware of what you meant, jumped all over it. Of course he posted only one of the many "sin" passages in the Catechism because it would have been shown that the Baptism truly erased sin on a temporary basis.

[tiki]

I can’t tell you how many years it took me to make my decision because I don’t really know when it began because it was so subtle, I think it began long before I realized. It took me an additional 5 years of study and prayer after the firm decision before I actually took the big leap.

There were people who were pressuring me both ways and I ignored them.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Your posts are getting more outlandish by the minute. Try to restrain yourself.

You wrote:

Once again you have incorrectly stated that all Protestants dismiss the significance of Baptism.

I wrote:

NO Protestant dismisses the significance of Baptism.

And somehow, you changed the subject entirely, and veered into fantasyland by your strange response...

Incorrect, SOME Protestants DO NOT believe that Baptism removes Original Sin. I consider this dismissive.

Well, consider it dismissive all you want. Many Protesants do not believe baptism removes original sin. I never said otherwise.

None of that has anything to do with your bizarre comment that I said verbatim "all Protestants dismiss the significance of baptism."

Is this coming through on your computer?

NO PROTESTANT DISMISSES THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BAPTISM.

Can you hear me now?

You then make another strange comment...

This from someone who believes all Protestants believe as Calvinists do.

Wrong again.

MARKBSNR incorrectly stated that the majority of posters on this thread were Calvinists, and I proved him wrong. What you are hearing on this thread is the unity of the Protestant faith made up of a variety of denominations of Christ's church.

Most Protestants do not call themselves Calvinists.

Yet. 8~)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Still waiting for the proof.

[tiki]

The problem with that is percentage wise there are very few who would recognize the religion of Martin Luther anymore. It has been changed so profoundly as to not be recognizable in most Protestant churches.