Posted on 06/02/2008 1:48:24 PM PDT by Gamecock
Mormonism teaches that if a person prays about the Book of Mormon "with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it (the Book of Mormon) unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost." (Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:4, insert added) If this is done, "your bosom shall burn within you" to show that it is true (Doctrine and Covenants, 9:8)
When a Mormon says that, he will generally pat his chest and say he received a burning of the bosom to know that it is true. It would be agreed that the bosom contains the heart. Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" In other words, we are not to rely on feelings because they are notoriously unreliable. Feelings change about as often as the direction of the winds.
The Bereans knew nothing of a "burning bosom" to determine if God's word is true. In fact, they "searched the scriptures daily, whether those things [Paul taught] were so." (Acts 17:11, insert added) Paul commended them for doing this, saying that they were "more noble than those in Thessalonica" for testing his teachings. We are to "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) If Paul commended those who tested him, how much more should we test others who claim to be prophets?
Bravo!!!!!
You brought it home. I felt as if I was on that road.
my new tagline.
(...Christ ministered by us, written not with ink... but in fleshy tables of the heart. 2 Cor. 3: 3)
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Your new tagline has some scripture missing...
It makes all the difference to read ALL that Paul wrote...
Allow me...
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Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us,
written not with ink, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; (that was one part)
NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (Another part) 2 Corinthians 3:3
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Seven, if you are going to quote Holy Scripture from the Bible that the Christians believe in, please have respect for the Word of God and quote it correctly..
2Cr 3:1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2Cr 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Cr 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cr 3:4 ¶ And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cr 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Thank you for your careful, Spirit-led interpretation of Holy Scripture...
You fed us daily...
:)
Bravo!
And we all know absolutely, of course, that, and the rest of you nasty generalizations, are exclusively practiced by Mormons.
***snort***
Seeing what you use for a reference book, tells me quite a lot — and I can’t help but pity you.
They were recounting the experience of having walked w/ the Lord & not known it at first. The description of burning was not referenced to before the Lord walked w/ them where you could have been correct about the state of depression, but was rather a description of how they felt when He was w/ them. Why then would they have described that feeling as the bad feeling you described.
As I read, they were referring to this experience as a good one. If they were walking w/ the resurrected Lord, would that emote a good feeling or a bad one? I think Sevenbak put it very succinctly in post 92.
How very mormonesque of you; how very transparent: “Remember, everything is in the Bible, so surely there must be definitive explanations for what you describe.” ... If you believed that you wouldn’t be a mormon nor be constantly denigrating the Bible as corrupted and incomplete. Go pound sand, sonny. Perhaps someone will feel charitable toward you and explain the human feelings the disciples were experiencing following the crucifixion, and the natural human reaction when someone appears who is easily identifiable as a devout Jew (they invited Him to take the evening meal with them) pressing the points of Messiah they were interpreting so incorrectly. Perhaps you and seven can get a little echo of mischaracterizations going! Go for it, mormon.
From Luke 24:21 - But we hoped (hmeiv de hlpizomen). Imperfect active, we were hoping. Note emphasis in hmeiv (we). Redeem (lutrousyai). From the bondage of Rome, no doubt. Yea and beside all this (alla ge kai sun pasin toutoiv). Particles pile up to express their emotions. Yea (alla here affirmative, as in verse 22, not adversative) at least (ge) also (kai) together with all these things (sun pasin toutoiv). Like Pelion on Ossa with them in their perplexity. Now the third day (trithn tauthn hmeran agei). A difficult idiom for the English. "One is keeping this a third day." And he is still dead and we are still without hope.
You, Sir Madam, have implied that a member of the LDS Organization, based in SLC, has QUOTE MINED.
You KNOW, after all these months - nay - YEARS on FR, that only you bigoted GENTILES do this.
What we have here is merely showing what WE consider to be the pertainant points we are trying to make.
You see, there are enough words in the KJV of the bible (faulty though it is) to create most ANY theological concept if you select your words, phrases and sentences correctly.
I hope this explains to your liking what you have perceived to be an error.
--MormonDude(Oh!! Before I forget... when would be a good time for a couple of our young, well ttrained missionairies to stop by your home and more FULLY explain the Mysteries of the Restored Gospel® to you?)
So you say. Prove it.
For whom does the bell toll?
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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” 20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” |
Those are not my sentiments but rather those of whom I spoke to. The Lord, nor the Bible ever indicated that there would be no more revelation or word from the Lord, quite the opposite in fact.
As to the two disciples, they were distraught over the losing of their Lord, and when Jesus walked with them, opening up all prophecies concurring Him, it rang true to their souls, even their very hearts. Wouldn't you have loved to have heard that conversation, the prophecies given by Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and who knows who else.
When they wanted to stop for the night, and Jesus wanted to go on, they convinced him to stay the night, and continue sharing his wisdom. Their plea to Him was “Abide with us”. In fact, one of our hymns speaks to this incident in a prayerful manner. Verse 2 speaks to the heart witnessing or burning with truth as they communed with Him.
1. Abide with me; ’tis eventide.
The day is past and gone;
The shadows of the evening fall;
The night is coming on.
Within my heart a welcome guest,
Within my home abide.
[Chorus]
O Savior, stay this night with me;
Behold, ’tis eventide.
O Savior, stay this night with me;
Behold, ’tis eventide.
2. Abide with me; ’tis eventide.
Thy walk today with me
Has made my heart within me burn,
As I communed with thee.
Thy earnest words have filled my soul
And kept me near thy side.
3. Abide with me; ’tis eventide,
And lone will be the night
If I cannot commune with thee
Nor find in thee my light.
The darkness of the world, I fear,
Would in my home abide.
So, the question begs to be asked... This is not an LDS hymn. It is sung by those of many faiths. The doctrine of the burning heart being communion with God is not exclusive to the LDS. I thought you were mainstream?
I'm sorry, MHGinTN. This is one doctrinal matter where we will definitely disagree. Not for a minute can I agree with your interpretation that the heart burning within them was a bad experience, or that it came from angst and anger. It was quite the opposite, and it came from God.
Cheers
Never mind. The moderator seems to object to my callling you out on you Mormon bashing.
The heart is a receptacle of the spirit of God, the scriptures make that plain. This whole thread seeks to mock the LDS belief that God speaks to the heart.
Perhaps you should wear socks with those boots. Your feet might be cleaner.
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