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To: papertyger; Quix
Alrighty then. I am gonna have to butt in here and speak my piece:

The Living Word Christ Jesus is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.

If by that you mean the Bible, how is an inanimate book, in any sense "living?"

The Bible is the recorded Word of the Living God. The words within the Book have been kept intact for thousands of years, long before the RCC was ever thought of.

For it is written:

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not...

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

(e-Sword: KJV)

One who would diminish the Holy Word diminishes the very contract that gives him life. He diminishes the Covenants which, given by God Himself to mankind, instruct us in what is pleasing to God, what is required by God, and the warnings He gives to those who refuse to live according to His will.

What man has the right to add to or subtract from the very words of Almighty Jehovah? Who would think to make them null? Who would not call them holy beyond all things on earth? No mortal man has that authority, and the only Man who does have that authority would not do so, as He said.

No. I'm sorry. There isn't. The Bible is a book. It is not alive. Christ is alive. Christ is The Word.

Is it your position that Christ would change a single word that came before Him?

Making a book that can not speak or reason into Christ's voice on earth is not what He instituted: it's what men instituted. What poppycock! It is your position that Christ never assumed His words would be written down?

When they did so in obedience. Those who use Scripture and God's Word to subvert obedience to God are known as apostates.

Obedience? Is it Christ's will that we bow down before statues? Is it Christ's will that the statue of "Peter" has it's foot worn down by the lips of men? Is it His will that there be incense and miters, gold and silver, the "inculturation" of pagan rites into the church that bears His Name? Was it by His will that hundreds of millions of people were murdered in His name?

It is fitting and just to rebel against such as these. God does NOT change, and what He said to do before is fitting for a Protestant to do to the RCC:

Hos 2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

9,807 posted on 06/28/2008 12:48:54 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
The words within the Book have been kept intact for thousands of years, long before the RCC was ever thought of.

Setting aside the RCC, whatever that is, the Old Testament predates the Catholic Church, but the New Testament was breathed by God into the Fathers of the Catholic Church: Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, etc.

9,809 posted on 06/28/2008 12:57:43 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: roamer_1
Was it by His will that hundreds of millions of people were murdered in His name?

Of course not. The Catholic Church is not implicated in hundreds of millions of murders.

9,810 posted on 06/28/2008 12:58:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: roamer_1

INDEED.

Please, you have a standing invitation to comment on any posting I’m involved in.


9,812 posted on 06/28/2008 1:05:41 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: roamer_1; Quix; OLD REGGIE; Marysecretary
One who would diminish the Holy Word diminishes the very contract that gives him life. He diminishes the Covenants which, given by God Himself to mankind, instruct us in what is pleasing to God, what is required by God, and the warnings He gives to those who refuse to live according to His will.

What man has the right to add to or subtract from the very words of Almighty Jehovah? Who would think to make them null? Who would not call them holy beyond all things on earth? No mortal man has that authority, and the only Man who does have that authority would not do so, as He said.

AMEN!

The RCC seems to nullify the very reason God gave us the Scriptures -- to guide us in all truth and love. The RCC takes this gift of God, made sure and fast by the black and white written word of God, the "sword of the Spirit," and transmutes it into the changing, ever morphing, quixotic opinions of men and magisteriums.

"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:12-17


9,814 posted on 06/28/2008 1:06:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: roamer_1
The Bible is the recorded Word of the Living God. The words within the Book have been kept intact for thousands of years, long before the RCC was ever thought of.

This is simply false. The Bible as we know it is a direct result of the efforts and actions of the RCC.

One who would diminish the Holy Word diminishes the very contract that gives him life. He diminishes the Covenants which, given by God Himself to mankind, instruct us in what is pleasing to God, what is required by God, and the warnings He gives to those who refuse to live according to His will.

One does not "diminish" a thing by using it as it was intended. Rather, using the Bible, which Christ did not establish, to diminish the authority of the Church, which Christ DID establish, is nothing more that a byzantine replay of The Fall.

What man has the right to add to or subtract from the very words of Almighty Jehovah? Who would think to make them null? Who would not call them holy beyond all things on earth? No mortal man has that authority, and the only Man who does have that authority would not do so, as He said.

The Sabbath was made for man, not the other way around. The same goes for the Bible.

The Church prospered prior to the advent of the printing press, and it's existence does not now, nor has it ever, depended on a collection of documents; the Protestant rebellion however, does.

Is it your position that Christ would change a single word that came before Him?

I don't understand the relevance of the question, particularly as a response to my assertion the Bible is not a living entity.

What poppycock! It is your position that Christ never assumed His words would be written down?

No, it's my position He instituted a Church with attendant authority and hierarchy to be His voice on Earth, not a book. Men would not abide by that so they gathered up their intellectual jewels and built themselves a philosophical golden calf.

It is fitting and just to rebel against such as these. God does NOT change, and what He said to do before is fitting for a Protestant to do to the RCC

Pleading is not rebelling. It is the sin of the Reformation that they did not heed the witness of a David, but rather rebelled with the slander of an Absalom.

9,831 posted on 06/28/2008 5:18:40 PM PDT by papertyger (Gun control laws make as much sense as giving condoms to a pregnant teen.)
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To: roamer_1
What man has the right to add to or subtract from the very words of Almighty Jehovah?

Apparently, Martin Luther.

9,847 posted on 06/28/2008 6:08:13 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: roamer_1

***The Bible is the recorded Word of the Living God. The words within the Book have been kept intact for thousands of years, long before the RCC was ever thought of. ***

Recorded how? Are you a follower of Mohammed or John Smith? The Bible was never recorded.

***The words within the Book have been kept intact for thousands of years, long before the RCC was ever thought of. ***

The Catholic Church existed from Pentecost, which was BEFORE any books of the New Testament were written.

***One who would diminish the Holy Word diminishes the very contract that gives him life.***

False straw man. We understand what the Word is and we do not deify it.

Walking away from the Church of Christ with Martin Luther does not bode well for one’s soul.


10,072 posted on 06/29/2008 4:19:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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