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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Quix

>>give the poor baby a sugar t_t—i.e. a teaspoon of sugar in a corner of a hankey secured with a string or rubber band.<<

Oh that must have been fun for the baby, but not so good for those budding teeth!


2,741 posted on 06/05/2008 1:59:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: 1000 silverlings
Well it’s Catholic theology and we are dealing here with a Catholic defense of it,

When I said it was up to someone to quell reasonable doubts of innocence and that this was a Protestant principle, I was ridiculed.

Now when somebody makes some wild and crazy charges against us it is our theology and up to us to provide a defense? And all the less do I think so when I have been shown that "drive them nuts" is a strategy of some Protestant posters (and when drawing the logical conclusion from this and stating it is called "foul and disingenuous").

Let somebody show a serious interest in what we teach and display serious desire to understand and evaluate, and we can discuss all these things in candor.

Otherwise, well, what you see is what you get.

2,742 posted on 06/05/2008 1:59:39 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Quix

Glucosamine and condroitin have my 80-year-old father scooting around like a 60-year-old, or a billygoat.


2,743 posted on 06/05/2008 1:59:45 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: dan1123
So:

(A)How do you reconcile that with the same passage telling us to make prayers and thanks givings and supplications and all that for others.

(B)How, exactly, does that show we are not to pray to others? There's clearly a chain of reasoning, but I don't see it.

2,744 posted on 06/05/2008 2:00:18 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

It is a proposed Catholic doctrine. It is not a teaching of the Catholic Church.


2,745 posted on 06/05/2008 2:00:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster
between

Between?

2,746 posted on 06/05/2008 2:01:54 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg

Other posters have been defending it up until now. We have been told, repeatedly, that it is Latin and that it means “with the Redeemer”. Now that it has been pointed out to them that it’s not Latin, that it is illogical and made up, they have decided, apparently, to disown it. So it doesn’t exist. Got it


2,747 posted on 06/05/2008 2:02:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Well it’s Catholic theology . . .

It is not. It might be the theology of "a" Catholic or "some" Catholics, but it is not a teaching of the Catholic Church.

2,748 posted on 06/05/2008 2:03:24 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom

True. true.


2,749 posted on 06/05/2008 2:03:51 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: 1000 silverlings
We have been told, repeatedly, that it is Latin and that it means “with the Redeemer”. Now that it has been pointed out to them that it’s not Latin, that it is illogical and made up, they have decided, apparently, to disown it.

Fanciful.

2,750 posted on 06/05/2008 2:04:31 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

>>There are plenty of “Vatican documents” that do not and cannot establish doctrine.<<

True, but this one’s a pretty safe bet.

I’ve done a Vatican.va search for co-redemptrix. It came up with four hits.

Every one is about people deemed to be “cults” that the Vatican shut down.


2,751 posted on 06/05/2008 2:04:34 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Petronski

Virtually every complaint and every answer filed in every courthouse in every county of every state in the U.S. contains a “Prayer For Relief”...

Do these people seriously believe that all those litigants are blasphemers?

Stunning.


2,752 posted on 06/05/2008 2:05:01 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg

Now that Catholics have no idea where it’s from, the burden has shifted onto us to tell you, too funny


2,753 posted on 06/05/2008 2:05:17 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

>>Again, a Catholic needs to explain to us whence it cometh, because it is illogical.<<

Well it wasn’t the Vatican so perhaps you can ask that Catholic?


2,754 posted on 06/05/2008 2:06:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: reagandemocrat

I was once told that capitalizing a proper noun means bowing to that thing. Amazing!


2,755 posted on 06/05/2008 2:06:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: 1000 silverlings
That is false. And I also see no connection between it and the post to which it is allegedly a response.

Rope-a-dope?

2,756 posted on 06/05/2008 2:06:50 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Quix

Got to make dinner on this HOT day.
Be back!


2,757 posted on 06/05/2008 2:07:00 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Petronski

That helped me, too.

But not near as much as the liquid kind. I don’t know what’s added to those ingredients . . . let me check . .

DRINKABLES ULTIMATE JOINT CARE

also in addition to those to ingrediants—colligen and MSM


2,758 posted on 06/05/2008 2:07:11 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Now that Catholics have no idea where it’s from, the burden has shifted onto us to tell you, too funny

The ones who claim it is a Catholic teaching should prove that it is.

2,759 posted on 06/05/2008 2:07:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg

A) There is a difference between the words “to” and “for”

B) Praying to someone other than God for something only God can give makes them a mediator between God and man.


2,760 posted on 06/05/2008 2:09:08 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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