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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: mgist

I have nothing against RCs. Just RCism. The very idea of a celibate priesthood ... ANY PRIESThood makes me ill. Add in graven images, maryolatry, tradition equal to if not above scripture, The Papacy, (the worst) and its history as a State institution and it just boggles my mind.


2,101 posted on 06/04/2008 2:46:09 PM PDT by gost2
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To: fortheDeclaration

More foul calumny.


2,102 posted on 06/04/2008 2:46:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: 1000 silverlings

>>Well, see the RC’s think that Christ has to do what Mary says. <<

Actually, my kids don’t HAVE to do what I say, but they love me enough to do it.

I would like to think that the relationship between Our Lord and His mother was perfect!


2,103 posted on 06/04/2008 2:47:23 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: gost2

May God have mercy on whomever filled empty heads with such hate.


2,104 posted on 06/04/2008 2:48:09 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: 1000 silverlings
No, that is what you yourselves tell us, using the wedding at Cana as your example.

You are being intellectually dishonest if you claim that reference to the wedding of Cana, as an example of Our lady's intercession, equates with Jesus HAVING to do what Mary says. Please don't create false testimony against others to suite your convenience. We are all called to be servants of our God, and can always ask him to help us. We can all ask each other to pray for us. Mary is God's servant. She has served him well. She is in heaven with our God and continues to serve him, NOT boss him around. That is a disgusting comment, but I forgive you.

2,105 posted on 06/04/2008 2:48:47 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: mgist; Antoninus
Message of Our Lady June 7, 2008

“Dear children, I am with you by the grace of God, to make you great - great in faith and love - all of you! You whose heart has been hard as a stone by sin and guilt, but you devout souls, I desire to illuminate with a new light. Pray that my prayer may meet open hearts that I may be able to illuminate them with the strength of faith and open the ways of love and hope. Be persevering. I will be with you. ”


If this were posted by a non-Catholic there would be a number of Catholics jumping in to say "not the teaching of the Catholic Church".

Ditto.

2,106 posted on 06/04/2008 2:49:27 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: gost2

My favorite cousins were RCs because my mother’s brother, (my fave uncle) married a catholic girl and he didn’t give a hoot about church. There were three boys and a girl. All the boys got engineering degrees and raised large families. All three boys are evangelical protestants now. The girl, not being a thinking being particularly, remained in her mother’s dogma.


2,107 posted on 06/04/2008 2:49:29 PM PDT by gost2
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To: gost2

>>I have nothing against RCs. Just RCism. ANY PRIESThood makes me ill. Add in graven images, maryolatry, tradition equal to if not above scripture, The Papacy, (the worst) and its history as a State institution and it just boggles my mind.<<

Exactly! So the question is, “Do you love RCisms?” How do you feel about them?


2,108 posted on 06/04/2008 2:49:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom; Marysecretary; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

Still, right or wrong? The RCs constantly complain people who post here hate them? They take personally what is only a clash of ideas. Hiding behind that facade gives them a reason not to critically examine their religion’s theology. Isn’t it just “the poor me, I’m a victim” defense?


2,109 posted on 06/04/2008 2:49:42 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Hiding behind that facade gives them a reason not to critically examine their religion’s theology.

You make an unsupported assumption that they have not critically examined their religion's theology.

2,110 posted on 06/04/2008 2:51:32 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Truth is hate to you. So be it.


2,111 posted on 06/04/2008 2:51:39 PM PDT by gost2
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To: mgist
equates with Jesus HAVING to do what Mary says.

I'm not the one(s) that claims it

2,112 posted on 06/04/2008 2:51:53 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Who is?


2,113 posted on 06/04/2008 2:52:28 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: gost2
MARCH 21, 1996

OUR LORD'S MESSAGE through Fr Jack Spaulding

"My dear ones, My Father again sends Me to you, and again I willingly come to remind you once again of His love for you. My dear ones, do not be afraid. Know that I am with you in the commitments of your life. Come before Me, and I will strengthen you for the path to which I have called you. It is not an easy one, but it is the one that will gift the world with My presence. My Father calls some to live the sacrament of marriage, calls others to My holy priesthood and others to consecrate in the religious life. Those, My dear ones, are special vocations from My Father, and those who are called to theses ways of living must realize it is a difficult path, one that will allow My Father's hope and love and mercy to become real within this world. Those who are called to these ways of living, are like lights shining out in the darkness of this century. Resist, My dear ones, who have been called to this life, temptation to abandon it, to question the reality of your call. Know that your call was given to you by God. You who are married, pray for your spouse. Love them as you love Me, as I would love and do love the church. Those who are called to the priesthood love the people to whom God Our Father has sent you. Embrace them, My dear ones, with My own Heart through channels of mercy and grace to those who come. Those who are called to religious life, to consecrate virginity, know that I am your Spouse and that I love you with an everlasting love. Those of you who are called to none of these vocations at this time, pray for those who are married, pray for those who are priests, pray for those who are consecrated religious, and pray that you will be open to what God is calling you to. I again say, so that you will remember, those who are called to marriage, to priesthood, to religious life are truly light within this century of darkness. These are My light to the world. I bless you this night, My dear ones, with My grace and mercy. I bless those who are married with the grace of perseverance and strength and joy and love. I bless those who are My priests with the grace of perseverance and the grace of holy celibacy and the grace of joy. And I bless My religious with My own tender love. Walk in peace for it is I who sent you into the world."

If you despise the Papacy, you don't know them. Please read any of their works. I recommend "Jesus of Nazareth" by Benedict. He is truly enlightened by the Holy Spirit, perhaps in the same way Graham or Rick Warren is. As you grown in your walk of faith you will learn that you can't really despise anyone. We are all children of God. Please ask him to help you be a better person. I do that for myself.

2,114 posted on 06/04/2008 2:54:33 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Marysecretary
Since Mary and the Saints aren’t in Heaven, they’re dead for now. Probably in Purgatory (lol). So, how do you interpret this? Jesus said to them: "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives. Neither can they die any more: for they are equal to the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead rise again, Moses also showed, at the bush, when he called the Lord, The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; For he is not the God of the dead, but of the living: for all live to him." (Luke 20:34-38)
2,115 posted on 06/04/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by Judith Anne (..)
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t even hate him for his ways. This is really getting ridiculous. I’m not thin skinned. I just don’t like the hate word tossed around like a salad.


2,116 posted on 06/04/2008 2:57:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The heel (shuwph) that is bruised (his heel)is masc. not feminine, since it has a masc. suffix.

LOL! Is this a satire or a spoof or something? (Psst -- here's a clue: "heel" in Hebrew is "akev"! Another clue: noun "suffixes" in Hebrew indicate possession and show the gender, person and number of the possessor -- they have nothing to do with the gender of the noun.)

The Heb. for the pronoun 'it' can be either masc.fem. or neuter, but since it is referring back to the 'seed' it is neuter.;

Hebrew doesn't have a neuter.

2,117 posted on 06/04/2008 2:57:56 PM PDT by maryz
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To: gost2

Mindreading and making it personal are forbidden here.


2,118 posted on 06/04/2008 3:00:13 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: mgist

Amen. Good message received by Fr. Spaulding.


2,119 posted on 06/04/2008 3:01:01 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski
More foul calumny.

No, just the truth regarding the old whore (Rev.17).

2,120 posted on 06/04/2008 3:01:05 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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