The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[OLD REGGIE]

Catholics will, I hope, be forgiven for not pinning the truth of all their Marian doctrines upon the infallibility of the KJV translators.

What in the world is the connection between "blood brother" and the KJV?

[papertyger]

Reject the Church, reject the authority that determined the New Testament. Quite a catch-22 protestants created for themselves.

Nothing a little naked duplicity won't fix.

[Petronski]

In the macro sense, is this wikipedia entry fairly accurate?

[Petronski]

He was deliberately and expressly general:

...all their Marian doctrines...

[wagglebee]

I thought everything in Wikipedia was a “pagan fable”.

[Petronski]

Many wiki entries on contentious topics can be . . . uh . . . less than trustworthy. Thus, I thought I’d ask.

[OLD REGGIE]

>>Catholics will, I hope, be forgiven for not pinning the truth of all their Marian doctrines upon the infallibility of the KJV translators<<

;-)

Except the post was an extraneous slur against the KJV. If you think that's funny laugh away.

[Uri’el-2012]

http://www.tjcii.org/userfiles/Image/messianic-jewish-movement-an-inttroduction-Eng.pdf

http://tjcii.org/userfiles/File/To_the_Jew_First.pdf?PHPSESSID=1dccf2161dbda15b9d6cebd290057b15

http://www.tushiyah.org/CallOnHisName.pdf

[Mad Dawg]

And thanks again.

[netmilsmom]

>>Except the post was an extraneous slur against the KJV. If you think that’s funny laugh away. <<

Not really. It didn’t say the NJV but those who translated it.

From a Catholic’s POV, understanding that we have scholars translating meanings for us, this was in no way a slam on the King James Version of the Bible itself.

Sorry you took it that way.

[Petronski]

The first pdf is quite comprehensive and informative. I’m glad to have it.

[Uri’el-2012]

Do you think a good argument runs along the line of "This is what Jesus said in Aramaic. Sadly we don't have any evidence to prove it."?

Amen !

[OLD REGGIE]

What context would that be? And if the Holy Spirit wanted you to understand that all these “Brothers” were of Mary, wouldn’t you think He would have made it abundantly clear, even without a proper greek word?

Most Protestants (I used to be a faithful, learned one) :) Would say it is abundantly clear beginning with "he knew her not until..." and continuing with "Your mother and your brothers are outside, asking for you." .

On the other hand where is the Bodily Assumption Of Mary even hinted at in Scripture? Don't you suppose the Holy Spirit would have made abundantly clear in Scripture if He wanted you to know it?

[netmilsmom]

>>Don’t you suppose the Holy Spirit would have made abundantly clear in Scripture if He wanted you to know it?<<

He passed on the message! The Vatican got the message and passed it on to me.

[netmilsmom]

>>Gee it’ll be too dark to cut the grass then, won’t it. <<

They had GRASS? ;-)

[netmilsmom]

>>Do you think a good argument runs along the line of “This is what Jesus said in Aramaic. Sadly we don’t have any evidence to prove it.”? <<

The answer would be in the context, as Quix stated.

[netmilsmom]

>>Most Protestants <<

And let’s face it, most Protestants would NOT look at it another way. Even if it is very evident.

Why should they, they’re Protestants? Nothing wrong with that.

[papertyger]

Except the post was an extraneous slur against the KJV. If you think that's funny laugh away.

Now here's an opportunity for some real bridge-building. Will you take it? Will you acknowledge you're accusing the poster of slur against the KJV, when any normative reading of what was said would recognize the poster was mocking the uneducated, dogmatic, devotees of a particular translation of the Bible?

All you have to do is admit you accused him of something he didn't do, and we'll know you are more interested in truth than "winning."

Will you admit you are ignoring his criticism of certain people deserving of criticism, and accusing him of criticizing something that would degrade his credibility if true?

[OLD REGGIE]

That would be dreadful if true and a great attack on, indeed a refutation of, the Church's claims. The Church Catholic is for all and it touches every aspect of life. It is catholic intensively and extensively, in principle if not in fact. It is for the 80 IQ and the 120 IQ, for the 60IQ and the 140IQ and so on right out to the ends of the scale. If not it is not catholic.

Good for you. Well said.

I might go a little farther though. :)

Some are meant to be Catholic and God is with them.

Some are meant to be Protestant and God is with them.

Some are meant to be "other" and God is with them.

God is with all who wish to be with Him.

[papertyger]

Don't you suppose the Holy Spirit would have made abundantly clear in Scripture if He wanted you to know it?

No, and until you can find a Scriptural passage that says the Holy Spirit would make all things "abundantly clear" to you, the question fails by your own standard.