The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Uri’el-2012]

Mary...She had only one child, Jesus Christ.

It is not in the Holy Word of G-d.

It must be known from Man-made fables.

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[Petronski]

It is not in the Holy Word of God.

It certainly is, for those who have eyes to see.

[Mad Dawg]

So, unless I misunderstand you, you are agreeing that we can read the Bible without consulting the Magisterium at every step. Good.

[wagglebee]

You make valid points; however, if a large portion of the congregation leaves en masse, I would have to conclude that there has been some sort of failing at either the parish or diocesan level.

[Uri’el-2012]

XS> It is not in the Holy Word of God.

It certainly is, for those who have eyes to see.

Please provide the citation.

[wagglebee]

I stand corrected.

I would expect you to provide some reliable information before calling me a liar.

However, I DID NOT call you a liar.

Can you indicate a Protestant denomination that has a reading schedule that includes the ENTIRE Bible over a proscribed period of time?

[Marysecretary]

Oh, and a few more according to scripture.

[NYer]

Obviously Catholics do not practice artificial birth control or make a decision not to reproduce.

Thank you for making my point! The Catholic Church teaches that marriage is a Sacrament from which springs forth new life. As for artificial contraception, what does the Catholic Church teach?

HUMANAE VITAE

Neither is it valid to argue, as a justification for sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive, that a lesser evil is to be preferred to a greater one, or that such intercourse would merge with procreative acts of past and future to form a single entity, and so be qualified by exactly the same moral goodness as these. Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (18)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general. Consequently, it is a serious error to think that a whole married life of otherwise normal relations can justify sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive and so intrinsically wrong.
HUMANAE VITAE

As I have repeatedly pointed out, it is so much easier for a pew Catholic to leave and follow a Bible toting protestant minister who will tell him this teaching is wrong.

The influx of protestants to the Catholic Church are theologians who have studied Scripture, read the Early Church Fathers and recognize how God works through His Church to ensure the future and Salvation of mankind.

[Petronski]

There is no one citation. I don’t trade chapter/verse citations like some kind of game of Go Fish.

[mgist]

It is not my fault you don't understand my response. Tradition is something that is common in many cultures, it is usually respected by most people. You find the tradition of bowing in respect or salutation to be somehow evil. What can I say? I respect traditions and the official teachings of the Catholic Church, which is the Cathechism, it does not conflict with the Bible.

If I kiss my Bible, and you think I worship leather, how do you expect me to make you understand that I love the word of God? No matter how I try and explain my reasoning, I obviously can't MAKE you change your erroneous preceptions. That is not my problem, or lack of knowledge. It is yours. I'll pray for you.

[Petronski]

Oh, and a few more according to scripture.

More protestant error. **sigh**

[Petronski]

Believe it or not I was told today that capitalizing a word is the same as bowing to the thing described that word.

Oh, and grammar causes dizziness.

ROFLMTO

[TASMANIANRED]

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[OLD REGGIE]

So, unless I misunderstand you, you are agreeing that we can read the Bible without consulting the Magisterium at every step. Good.

Just be prepared to jump when the Bishop says "jump".

[Uri’el-2012]

There is no one citation. I don’t trade chapter/verse citations like some kind of game of Go Fish.

Since you can not provide a citation that Miriam only had one child.

It must therefore by a pagan fable.

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[Petronski]

Since you can not provide a citation that Mary only had one child. It must therefore by a pagan fable.

You don't have that kind of power. It is not that I cannot, it is that I do not.

[big'ol_freeper]

You said: There is no one citation. I don’t trade chapter/verse citations like some kind of game of Go Fish.

You would if you were drawn into bibliolatry and worshiped the book instead of Our Lord Jesus Christ, fully present in the tabernacles of Catholic Churches around the world, as well as in Orthodox Churches.

Just be glad you don’t worship a book.

[Petronski]

Just be prepared to jump when the Bishop says "jump".

Why?

These are Catholic bishops.

[Mad Dawg]

I'm not sure why I was pinged to this. But since I was, I'll say that I would imagine that you know better than I how a diagnosis does not often provide an exhaustive description of the person diagnosed, and that there is a dazzling variety of ways in which a particular diagnosis can be manifested. So, to the extent that Sado-evangelism is a sho' 'nuff diagnosis, it is therefore and indeed almost by definition not a tidy little box. So to the extent, if any, that it is a diagnosis correctly or incorrectly applied to you, it is not an effort to fit you into a tidy little box.

In general, if you leave me alone on these threads, I will leave you alone.

[Philo-Junius]

The counterargument, of course, is Jesus’ entrusting of Mary to St. John, which would have been unnecessary and impious (in that he was denying His brothers the chance to fulfill a mitzvoh) if He had indeed had brothers whom the law would have mandated to care for her.