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SALVATION PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE
EWTN ^ | 4/1/1996 | James Akin

Posted on 05/21/2008 1:04:07 PM PDT by annalex

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1 posted on 05/21/2008 1:04:08 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Antoninus; ArrogantBustard; CTK YKC; dan1123; DogwoodSouth; FourtySeven; HarleyD; Iscool; Jaded; ...
As promised, this is the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics series. I am reusing my Easter Celebration ping list. However, it will be treated as a separate list in the future.

If you want to be on the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics list but are not on it already, or if you are on it but do not want to be, let me know either publicly or privately.

This is an open thread. I invite all opinions and encourage clear posts on the topic.

On Salvation Outside the Catholic Church
The Great Heresies [Open]

2 posted on 05/21/2008 1:07:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
James Akin is a convert from Presbyterianism. This is his conversion story: A TRIUMPH AND A TRAGEDY.
3 posted on 05/21/2008 1:11:00 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Add me to your list if I'm not already on it.

Sounds like some good refresher reading.

4 posted on 05/21/2008 1:12:26 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: annalex
Excellent post. Pinging for later read.

As an Orthodox Christian, I believe I have been saved, am being saved and will be saved. That's the usual way I respond to evangelical "Have you been saved?" questions.

The Catholic and Orthodox positions seem identical.

5 posted on 05/21/2008 1:13:56 PM PDT by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: ladtx

You are on. Thank you for your interest.


6 posted on 05/21/2008 1:14:54 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Funny that you left off:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent me 'has' everlasting life, and shall 'not' come into judgement, but 'has' passed from death to life.

John 5:24

7 posted on 05/21/2008 1:15:17 PM PDT by Tolkien (Another day, another 1.603 million miles around the sun.)
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To: annalex

This is an excellent and informative article that might clear up some of the misunderstanding between Catholics and Evangelicals


8 posted on 05/21/2008 1:16:45 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Tolkien
Yes, that passage illustrates the point of the article very nicely:

24 Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. 25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: 27 And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man. 28 Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. 29 And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.

Verse 24 speaks of salvation as a past event, and proceeds to talk of justification as future. We certainly believe that eternal life is with us now.

9 posted on 05/21/2008 1:25:55 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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James Akin is a convert from Presbyterianism.

Akin again? BWA HAHAHAHAHA!

10 posted on 05/21/2008 1:30:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: annalex

The author of this seems to simply have a reading comprehension problem.

Every passage that he quotes accepts salvation as a done deal, leaving our joy at avoiding condemnation as the only future effect. Indeed, the Lord himself declared it a done deal, in stating that he lost not one of us. Salvation is his work, not ours.


11 posted on 05/21/2008 1:43:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: annalex
"We certainly believe that eternal life is with us now."

Amen!

12 posted on 05/21/2008 1:46:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Alex Murphy

Be careful, or we’ll call that nasty old religion mod...


13 posted on 05/21/2008 1:48:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: annalex

Amen!


14 posted on 05/21/2008 1:55:51 PM PDT by Tolkien (Another day, another 1.603 million miles around the sun.)
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To: notaliberal

What are you defending?


16 posted on 05/21/2008 4:21:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: annalex
Both groups are correct in this. Sanctification is both a process and an event in our lives.

This person apparently would like us to believe he is a biblical authority...And he claims that God teaches us that salvation is a past event...And God teaches us that it is a current, on-going event...And God also teaches us that salvation is a future event...

But he didn't explain how that works...You know why??? Because he doesn't have a clue...

This fella ought to find a career that he knows something about...

17 posted on 05/21/2008 6:34:09 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: editor-surveyor

Speaking of reading comprehension, please re-read the part starting with “There is an ongoing aspect to salvation as well” and finishing with the end of the segment.


18 posted on 05/21/2008 6:43:23 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Iscool
would like us to believe he is a biblical authority

You mean, he fabricated Bible quotes?

he didn't explain how that works...

No, he didn't. Not in this article. All he did so far is show from scripture that salvation is a process as well as event. Stay tuned.

19 posted on 05/21/2008 6:46:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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