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To: Antoninus; ArrogantBustard; CTK YKC; dan1123; DogwoodSouth; FourtySeven; HarleyD; Iscool; Jaded; ...
As promised, this is the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics series. I am reusing my Easter Celebration ping list. However, it will be treated as a separate list in the future.

If you want to be on the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics list but are not on it already, or if you are on it but do not want to be, let me know either publicly or privately.

This is an open thread. I invite all opinions and encourage clear posts on the topic.

On Salvation Outside the Catholic Church
The Great Heresies [Open]

2 posted on 05/21/2008 1:07:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Add me to your list if I'm not already on it.

Sounds like some good refresher reading.

4 posted on 05/21/2008 1:12:26 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: annalex
Excellent post. Pinging for later read.

As an Orthodox Christian, I believe I have been saved, am being saved and will be saved. That's the usual way I respond to evangelical "Have you been saved?" questions.

The Catholic and Orthodox positions seem identical.

5 posted on 05/21/2008 1:13:56 PM PDT by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: annalex
Funny that you left off:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent me 'has' everlasting life, and shall 'not' come into judgement, but 'has' passed from death to life.

John 5:24

7 posted on 05/21/2008 1:15:17 PM PDT by Tolkien (Another day, another 1.603 million miles around the sun.)
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To: annalex

The author of this seems to simply have a reading comprehension problem.

Every passage that he quotes accepts salvation as a done deal, leaving our joy at avoiding condemnation as the only future effect. Indeed, the Lord himself declared it a done deal, in stating that he lost not one of us. Salvation is his work, not ours.


11 posted on 05/21/2008 1:43:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: annalex

Well, that was pretty interesting. I always thought salvation was something we pretty much did every day since St. Paul talked about running the race and fighting the good fight. If it were a one time thing, I don’t think race or fight would have been the right symbol to use.

Also, I have never been cocky about my salvation. I have many friends that believe in the “once saved, always saved” concept and while I know that once saved, nothing can pluck you from God’s hand, I’ve never been presumptuous to assume that it’s a done deal so I take up my cross daily and each day just trust Him that I’ll continue on with Him.

I’m not saying this very well, but I think many Christians would believe in these statements wholeheartedly (not just Catholics).


23 posted on 06/26/2008 8:18:31 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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