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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
I truly believe you should get a medal! At the very least, JR should give you a raise for your workload and obvious patience with us all.
Thanks for what you do.
There is marriage for time (until death) and there is marriage for eternitry. (forever)
They are two different things.
This has been a great debate going on for a long time.
Trying to apply natural man knowledge to what did or didn’t take place is all specultion.
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Resty, let’s check with Jesus...
Jesus answered and said unto (Resty), “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” Matthew 22: 29, 30
Instead, you question our sincerity and our honesty, and refuse to answer on the grounds that you consider us insincere.
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It may seem that way, but from experience and if you were as knowledge able as you claim PM because you felt you knew it all to leave the Church, had you severed a mission you would have known you do not cast pearls before swine.
I really don’t care for the harsh way that verse is was recorded and I wonder if someone was mad who was a scribe at the time and pin it that way! LOL
But the point is in a cogent way is that when we are in a natural man state we can not receive the things of the Lord.
It can only be received when we hungry for the word of the Lord.
If any are honest among us you would have to say it has been very sarcastic and far from humble spirits!
In other words, in order for the Lord to confirm your prayer that the Book of Mormon is true, you need to firmly believe that it is true before you even ask.
Moroni also said it very clear here:
Moroni didn't say anything. Moroni was nothing more than a figment of Joseph Smith's vivid imagination.
I hate snakes...
TN, we do have our common ground! When it comes to snakes, I'm a little girl. No offense to the women on this thread. I absolutely hate snakes.
So who are the "swine" here?
Are those the people to whom you refuse to answer questions?
Weird, huh!
Their own words about the religion contradict your claims.
He is the head, the only sure foundation and cornerstone upon which to build.
Christ, the Creator God, the "I AM, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" (Revelation 22:13), most certainly is the only sure foundation and cornerstone; "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6).
Colossians 1:
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
It seems that one must claim a conduit to UN-"natural", or perhaps SUPER-"natural" sources in order to "speak with authority".
I have seen this "natural man" term used as excuse for the supposed fallacies of posts quite often, as in the above statement.
Apparently anything that is opposed to Joseph Smith's claims is "speculation" and of "natural man" (whatever that means) while anything that buttresses them is of Holy origin...EXCEPT...the "revelations" of certain "prophets" such as Brigham Young. In that case, the "un-doctrinal" term is employed.
Jesus answered and said unto (Resty), “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” Matthew 22: 29, 30
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It all depends who Jesus was talking and what part of the scriptures they held on too both the Pharisees and the Sadducee were divided on what parts of the scriptures they would embraced.
None of them were ready to receive knowledge about the Celestial Kingdom.
They were candidates for Terrestrial or Terrestrial kingdom.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Um, try this. This is the Lord speaking to David though his prophet Nathan.
2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
Denying that the plurality of wives is a non biblical things is a hard thing to do. So many of the ancient prophets and fathers practiced it. We obviously don't practice it, but we do feel that it has been approved of the Lord(as referenced above) from time to time in order to create seed and a raise up nations unto the Lord.
Also, Martin Luther did not agree with you. Here is what he had to say on the matter.
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Ironically, many Jews today still practice it. It's not against their law or history.
Let’s hope we don’t start importing pork from Korea.
That’s just not kosher! ;-)
The Christ of the Mormons was not God from all eternity, but became a God sometime after he and his brother Lucifer had presented their individual plans of salvation to the Council of the Gods on Kolob.
That Christ is so far from being the Christ that Christians believe in that you might as well call him a banana.
Um, since adultery is a no no in the Ten Commandments, how do you reconcile Smith’s extensive practice of adultery?
Well that pretty much says it all.
Yeah, it says it as much as this:
Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1971592/posts?page=249#249
Modern ‘Christians’ haven’t tarred and feathered, murdered, stolen property or other horrible things to Mormons in a long time.
I see no problem with reaching out to enlightened Christians today. We all could learn from each other.
“So who are the “swine” here?
Are those the people to whom you refuse to answer questions?” ~ P-Marlowe
There are so many other places where I read and where the Spirit is present that kind of term would not be used and still have the Holy Ghost present, so there are passages that do drive away the Spirit of the Lord.
Swine would be one of them, so I would fine that kind of talk contrary to what Lord would say because it is contentious.
Where we are at is a probationary state not final judgement and that kind of verbage “swine” is non productive.
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“I have seen this “natural man” term used as excuse for the supposed fallacies of posts quite often, as in the above statement.
Apparently anything that is opposed to Joseph Smith’s claims is “speculation” and of “natural man” (whatever that means) while anything that buttresses them is of Holy origin...EXCEPT...the “revelations” of certain “prophets” such as Brigham Young. In that case, the “un-doctrinal” term is employed.” ~ greyfoxx39
John 14
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Jesus dose not speak in negatives to his flock.
The things of the Lord is about faith, hope and Love.
Jesus trying to move us from our fallen state to just or righteou place.
Natural man is in a fallen state.
1 Cor. 2: 14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
James 1: 23
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
D&C 67: 12
12 Neither can any natural man abide the presence of God, neither after the carnal mind.
Mosiah 3: 19
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
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