“So who are the “swine” here?
Are those the people to whom you refuse to answer questions?” ~ P-Marlowe
There are so many other places where I read and where the Spirit is present that kind of term would not be used and still have the Holy Ghost present, so there are passages that do drive away the Spirit of the Lord.
Swine would be one of them, so I would fine that kind of talk contrary to what Lord would say because it is contentious.
Where we are at is a probationary state not final judgement and that kind of verbage “swine” is non productive.
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“I have seen this “natural man” term used as excuse for the supposed fallacies of posts quite often, as in the above statement.
Apparently anything that is opposed to Joseph Smith’s claims is “speculation” and of “natural man” (whatever that means) while anything that buttresses them is of Holy origin...EXCEPT...the “revelations” of certain “prophets” such as Brigham Young. In that case, the “un-doctrinal” term is employed.” ~ greyfoxx39
John 14
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Jesus dose not speak in negatives to his flock.
The things of the Lord is about faith, hope and Love.
Jesus trying to move us from our fallen state to just or righteou place.
Natural man is in a fallen state.
1 Cor. 2: 14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
James 1: 23
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
D&C 67: 12
12 Neither can any natural man abide the presence of God, neither after the carnal mind.
Mosiah 3: 19
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
In your many posts accusing others of being "a natural man", are you then accusing them of being in a "fallen state"? And by comparison, are you saying YOU are saved? Hmmmmm!