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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Leave the proving to God. Everything else, is just guessing, or worse seeking signs. But really, Elsie, we've been given ways to tell. Start with the fruits. Which tree has good fruit and which tree has none. Christ clearly taught this as a way to discern his followers. But He alone can give truth. Take the matter to him if you are truly interested in the answer. However, I predict you are only looking for further ammunition to do harm to others, and getting the quiet witness of the Lord with such motives can 'prove' difficult.
On this forum, you and your fellow LDS members are the missionaries.
It is telling that most of you refuse to answer almost every question which is posed to you.
Instead, you question our sincerity and our honesty, and refuse to answer on the grounds that you consider us insincere.
Yes, she truly stands out from this crowd. And for that, I thank you andysandmikesmom!!! ;-)
Glad to see that you can cut and paste all by yourself.
MIND READING ALERT!
Of all posters on FR, you and elsie have made your intent pretty clear. Would you have us believe otherwise?
One can always hope. I would love to be wrong on this.
Huzzah!! Well said.
According to the LDS scholar Todd Compton, only 11 of Joseph's 33 plural wives were married to other men at the time Smith took them in marriage.Re. And if the women committed adultery, then Joseph Smith committed adultery also ... was [Joseph] "destroyed" and if not, then why not???You can review the list of Smith's wives HERE.
None of the wives were stolen from their husbands. Rather, they were shared with their lawful husbands in adulterous relationships.
As a matter of fact, Smith was destroyed in what was essentially his only fulfilled prophesy.A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN: July 1828. D&C 3:4.
For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.NOTE: For some reason, this prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormons.FULFILLED: On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412):
Come on, ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.At this time Smith was secretly married polygamously to over 30 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires, in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16.
Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, Smith was killed by his enemies in a gun battle at Carthage Jail.
An anti Mormon's mouth with salad stuck in his teeth? ;-)
Indeed. On this very topic, here’s a prime example.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1971592/posts?page=249#249
Um............contrary to your claim, I already posted the positions Joseph Smith and other Mormon leaders concerning the REJECTION of Christianity, in their own words (as had previously been posted by Zakeet).
"Attributing motives to another poster or otherwise reading his mind is “making it personal"
But resty - smittie did fall within the prohibition of Revelation when he modified it as apart of the (proto-canonized) JST (aka IV). As such, he is properly condemned by God.
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Really the Book of Mormon is older than the Revelation, the Lehi family was around 600AD.
As I recall when I first encounter the Book of Mormon I was I was bewildered because it made no since to me and I did not recognized the names or places.
The book was given to me by a friend who I was doing busy with and he just told me to read it.
Well there were a couple attempts of me trying to read that book or try to find out what it was about.
Because it was so strange to me and was not introduce to the Book like others were.
I keep trying to connect the dots from what I knew and it was not working.
So it was like a closed book to me and I would just set it on the shelf.
I had a fall out with my friend so I would not talk to him.
He tried to be cordial to me but I felt hurt we were vie for the same customer and his charm persuade it her.
I was immature in business you could say!:)
Anyway that book kept falling on the floor and getting in the way and I could not relate to it as you do with other books.
My friend and I lived in the same building so we did cross paths.
I also work there at the front desk.
I was continuing my quest for spiritual path.
This book kept getting in the way and I was about to throw it out and I got this prompt to read area marked in the back and I did read it.
Moroni 10
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
So I kneel over the wastepaper basket and did the prayer I truly wanted to know if the Book was true.
It was the most powerful feeling of joy I ever felt and I knew than the book was true and I had to find out more about that book, but I did not want my friend to know.
The next day the missionaries came to visit him and I was working at the desk so I started to ask them questions and the rest is history.
When I was baptized that was another powerful experience.
When I was younger I was baptized into the Presbyterian Church and it was like a holiday experience meaning earth celebration.
When I was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for me it was powerful I could feel the tingle from the top of my head to the tip of my feet it was unexpected but that was with my confirmation.
The next day and for a few weeks my eyes were really open and my discernment sharpen of things offensive to the soul and thing that were pleasing.
Later on when I read the account of the Kirtland Temple I could relate with what took place I did have that advance experience but enough to appreciate what many in the community experienced.
Now I would expect the prophet and his counsel would have those experiences but I am talking about what occurred in the community I could relate because on my level I too was having my discernment sharpen or made clear beyond doubt.
So when I read accounts about the Kirtland Temple aglow at night and angels dancing on the roof I could bond with that knowledge this took place for a few weeks as many wrote in their diaries.
I say this in the name of Jesus Christ amen!
God be with you and your family!
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints stands as a testament to Him and His gospel.
There is marriage for time (until death) and there is marriage for eternitry. (forever)
They are two different things.
This has been a great debate going on for a long time.
Trying to apply natural man knowledge to what did or didn’t take place is all specultion.
It clings fast to the original founder, Jesus Christ, and a restoration of His gospel as foretold by ancient prophets.
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Why go to anonymous “ancient prophets” for the info...
Jesus Himself said that “upon this rock I will build
my church; and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”. ...Matthew 16:18
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:20
So as Jesus Himself said that Hell itself could not destroy His Church...there was no need for it to be “restored” and no need for another “messiah”
The Church never went anywhere ...there has ALWAYS been a remenant, and they obeyed Jesus and practiced the original Christianity...
The Mormons say that If you are sincere in your prayer, that God will give you a burning in your bosom and you’ll know the truth of the book of Mormon and then you will have a testimony that Mormonism is the one true church on the face of the earth.
Have you tried it?
What’s stopping you?
James says it best. Especially versed 6 and 7. We can't expect answers when we have doubt, contention and ill will. Pure and complete faith is a requirement in order to receive any such spiritual manifestations from the Holy Ghost.
James 1:5-7
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and dupbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Moroni also said it very clear here:
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