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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Amen! Preach it Brother! : )
How can the SLC branch of LDS PROVE that THEIR line is 'authentic'?
Sevenbak, TN seemed to be all miffed because I would not answer her questions relating to spiritual and Biblical matters...so she then told me to feel free to remain silent...so funny...
I will say what I want concerning those matters, when I wish, and will remain silent when I wish, concerning those matters, regardless of what TN either thinks or wishes...her thoughts and wishes on this matter are unimportant and irrelevant to me...
You are right, we are free to express our beliefs in these matters, and we are also free to be quiet about these matters if we chose...frankly, I find it to be, that just because someone goes on and on about their beliefs, I am under no obligation to accept that they live those beliefs...on the other hand, when someone is silent about their beliefs, I dont let my mind get to roving around, and thinking up different scenarios, just to satisfy my own curiosity...
Each poster can voice his beliefs if he choses to do so, or remain silent about those beliefs if he choses to do so...and other folks can infer what they wish regarding this...often they will infer the worst and more than often they would be completely wrong...
But that is on the other person, not on me...they will have to be responsible and accountable for what they ‘imagine’...
And once again, no good deed by a Mormon (or in this case by Mormon legislators) goes unpunished. The near total lack of charity by some is very revealing.
Are you a Mormon, fproy222?
Jesus took unto Himself all the sins of the world, and because of that, after we die, we will all be resurrected into Heaven.
So...this is what you say salvation is? Because of this, as a non-Mormon, I am also saved? There is nothing else that I need to do because Jesus took unto Himself all the sins of the world?
So I, and every other non-Mormon, have salvation...even if I/we don't get baptized in a Mormon Church and even though we do not follow all of the Mormon Commandments? What if I am not married?
And isn't this universal atonement, which restornu pinged the Religion Moderator for, earlier, as he/she complained that universal atonement was not consistent with Mormon doctrine as it relates to salvation?
Except that, as the Scriptures say.....................
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Hello Elsie...how have you been?...
Yes, we are anonymous here, good grief, for the longest time, I thought you were female, only to find out how wrong I was...now I call that anonymous...
You actually expect anyone to believe you’re serious? Aren’t you the dolt who posted the repeated accusation of a Roman soldier as the father of Jesus? Get over yourself.
Did Christ not say, whosoever believes (John 3:16)?
It is not us who are the swines/dogs. They exist, but it is not those who believe.
ty, TN.
Just need lots of fly-swatters, it seems, lol.
I, however, was only posting sarcastically from a Mormon perspective.
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Yes; she is truly one of a kind.
LOL
I was speaking from restornu's perspective.
oh, I know....I just thought, for posterity’s sake and all.....Scripture references would be appropriate...just so that the Truth is stated.
Now Elsie, you know I am the one being referred to me...as is often the case, I dont know exactly how to take your remark about me...but I thank you for it, I think...
Ouch...That is going to leave a mark!
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