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How Old Is The Orthodox Faith
E-Mail | Unknown | Rev. Dr. Miltiades Efthimiou

Posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861

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To: PAR35; TexConfederate1861; kosta50
Sixtus IV - Nepotism (a half dozen nephews appointed as Cardinals). Conspiracy to commit murder.

Innocent VIII - at least one marriage, one legitimate and a number of illegitimate children. Only appointed one nephew a Cardinal.

Alexander VI - several mistresses (one only 14 years old). Several illegitimate children by several different women, including married women.

Many of these charges are quite spurious and unsubstantiated in the actual historical record. Others were actions taken before they took up a serious religious life. They have life by endless repetition without thought or investigation - i.e. Alexander VI was a wicked man because Savaonarola and the rest of his enemies since said so.

221 posted on 06/20/2007 6:19:18 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: GoLightly

The Didache is a part of Canon Law.


222 posted on 06/20/2007 6:28:39 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: kosta50

Kosta:

I was taught that the Didache is considered a part of Canon Law, etc.....


223 posted on 06/20/2007 6:32:35 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Andrew Byler

In your opinion. I haven’t seen anything but conjecture.


224 posted on 06/20/2007 6:34:59 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

http://www.coloradofishing.net/ft_taylor.htm ?


225 posted on 06/20/2007 6:38:55 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Its a line from a friggin movie for cryin' out loud.

That does nothing to improve either its relevancy or humorous value.

226 posted on 06/20/2007 6:50:51 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Andrew Byler; TexConfederate1861
I don’t believe it is plagiarism if it’s correcting an error in the original.
227 posted on 06/20/2007 6:52:43 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: GoLightly
He gave them to Peter...

No, He says he will give them to Peter and further describes them as having the ability to bind and loose in Heaven and on Earth. When this is given, it is given to all of the Apostles as a group.

228 posted on 06/20/2007 6:57:45 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: xzins
Let us pray for those who think that the pedigree
of their congregation is more important than serving the L-rd!
AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
L-rd G-d breathe on those to give them wisdom of the meaning of your Word.

Select them to be drawn to your Son for their salvation.

Lead them away from the teachings of man particularly where it conflicts with your Word.

Quiet their hearts so they can hear the Ru'ach HaKodesh speak to them your Word

b'shem Yah'shua

229 posted on 06/20/2007 6:59:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: GoLightly
He gave them to Peter, along with the charge to feed His sheep. Your position on it, that they were given to all of the Apostles & their successors is an interesting innovation.

Innovation? Hardly. You need to re-read that part again. Christ says "I will give you..." [that's future tense] and then He gives it to all two chapters later.

The reference to feeding the sheep has to do with +Peter's tripple betrayal, not about giving the keys.

230 posted on 06/20/2007 7:10:24 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: TexConfederate1861
And by discounting the oral teachings of the Apostles,

There are no inspired oral teachings that were not written down in the scriptures...

and the Early Church Fathers,

Your 'early' church fathers more than not disagreed with your church but you guys still cite them...Nothing they wrote was inspired by God...No one even knows if your church fathers penned what you guys claim they penned...

you are steering for the rocks.

I think not...How could I be while believing only the written word as God gave it and the written word teaches otherwise???

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The written word is where the truth is...The written word is where life is...

Your oral tradition tells you that you can't know if you're going to heaven till you're dead...

The written word tells me I have eternal life, now...

The Church is the only true guide for interpretation, not the individual.

Your church tells you that...The written word of God does not tell you that...In fact, the opposite...

Do you suppose God wrote the bible in code??? When you guys quote the verse that says the bible is of no private interpretation, that goes for you, your priests and popes as well...

231 posted on 06/20/2007 7:18:37 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: TexConfederate1861
I was taught that the Didache is considered a part of Canon Law

Didache is accepted by the Latin Church as work of Aopostolic Fathers, but there is no proof whatsoever that it is. The author(s) is(are)are unknown and the location is unspecified.

Kanon (Greek κανων) means standard, not law (the law is νομος or nomos). To the best of my knowledge, the Didache was never normative in the East or the West for that matter. If anything, its order of Eucharistic communion is reversed — wine first, then bread.

232 posted on 06/20/2007 7:23:10 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Iscool

As you have indicated many times, you have created a church for yourself. It appears to me to be modeled on select verses from Paul, with only minor reference to the Gospels and almost none to the rest of the New Testament and the entire Old Testament.

Very well. As I have said before, I consider it the creation of a cat loosely modeled on a dog with the insistence that it is actually a dog. A cat is not a dog. There are some common points that I have understood that you have posted that resemble that of Christianity. The fur, four legs and a tail are common. The genetic structure isn’t.

Basing an entire theology on select verses from Paul isn’t Christian.


233 posted on 06/20/2007 7:26:47 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Daveinyork
They believe they go back further than Abraham?

Hey, we encouraged Abraham to take God's advice. ;O)

234 posted on 06/20/2007 7:56:43 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: MarkBsnr
Basing an entire theology on select verses from Paul isn’t Christian.

Amen !

235 posted on 06/20/2007 8:01:30 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: FormerLib
No, He says he will give them to Peter

True enough.

and further describes them as having the ability to bind and loose in Heaven and on Earth. When this is given, it is given to all of the Apostles as a group.

Matthew 18:17-18, right? Taking that teaching as a whole, I see a lot of responsibility being given. Making that into a bestowing of authority to use as men will, sorry, just not there.

236 posted on 06/20/2007 8:02:12 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: TexConfederate1861
I think parts of it may have been incorporated into Canon Law, but the Didache itself in toto, no. I believe it was cited early on, but the full work somehow managed to become misplaced for awhile.

Read, “Information on Didache”

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/didache.html

237 posted on 06/20/2007 8:15:40 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: kosta50
Innovation? Hardly. You need to re-read that part again. Christ says "I will give you..." [that's future tense] and then He gives it to all two chapters later.

I'd think Jesus would have used the instruction in John 10 to be more clear about men being given authority, if His intent was to give men total authority in the way men were claiming it centuries later.

The reference to feeding the sheep has to do with +Peter's tripple betrayal, not about giving the keys.

Yet, some of your Catholic brothers have used it in the way I described, where only Peter was specifically charged with the task of feeding the sheep.

238 posted on 06/20/2007 8:24:10 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
Matthew 18:17-18, right?

No, John 20:22-23.

And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

239 posted on 06/20/2007 8:26:21 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: MarkBsnr
Basing an entire theology on select verses from Paul isn’t Christian.

Basing an entire theology on verses from the written word of God alone isn't Chritian to a lot of you folks...So what's new???

240 posted on 06/20/2007 8:46:21 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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