Posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Mic helis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."
This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
From what I've read will say that it should be pretty clear to all that 'Orthodox' churches haven't tended to go as nutty as the Roman Catholic church got, through the last millenium.
I think the writers of the Epistles and Jesus Himself had some things to say about avoiding gnostic/dualistic influences and about unadorned spiritual reality vs. trappings and rituals, that I think any high church could heed.
Any low church, too.
I'm now in Chaffee County. Not a shul in a hundred miles. The two MJs, I know go to Baptist churchs. Not a lot of man-made tradition but a lot of the Word. Yes; I miss Burt !
As opposed to right now?
I do agree with you that there is a dearth of facts; or rather, a series of soliloquies with duelling Scripture and complete disregard for civilized debate. I particularly enjoy the oft-displayed subtle redefinition of things to enable misunderstandings and the cherry picking of verse in order to make points that aren’t there or to contradict points that are.
Ad hominem attacks don’t bother me as much as some others; I just remember that it’s not the intelligent man that’s the hardest to debate. Life’s full of simple pleasures.
And, judging by the rotten fruit tossed carelessly about, there appears to be a dearth of the Holy Spirit as well. But a whole bunch of ugli fruit.
Check out which parts of the Arkansas River in that county the 17-18 inch trouts are hangin' out and I'll come down this fall and take you up on that coffee offer.
If you ping someone or mention someone they have the right to respond to you.
It's running about 2200 cubic feet a second, now. We're just north of Johnson Village ( US-285 & US -24 ) Just south of Buena Vista. We missed the caddis hatch. The community that I live in backs up to the Arkansas river.
True, but after that..........
Not far from Taylor.
After that there appears to be no rule that says someone cannot ping you. What they can’t do is engage in those things at the bottom of the posting blank page: No profanity, no personal attacks, no racism or violence in posts.
Courtesy, however, might make a person do some things that aren’t required by the rules.
That is the other side of the big hill, in Gunnison. No?
Ever since I have been on this forum, I have never had a problem with it. The bottom line here is that I have no desire to associate with this person in any capacity:
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6
I believe the quoted scripture says it better than I could.
So theology isn't the only topic escaping you these days but humor is perplexing as well? It makes sense now, kinda sorta.
It's certainly not my church...
All Christian churches have their roots in the church Jesus established...Many of the early Christians veered away from the truth as taught by the Apostles...
Your church as well as others are unrecognizable as the biblical Gentile Christian church that Paul was commissioned to establish...
Admitted by your church is the fact that your church goes outside of the inspired and preserved written words of God to authorize itself and it's teachings, claiming that Jesus said many other things to the apostles that surely must have been directed to the operation of His church...
Like I said, your church is not my church...
How do you explain your position, when the Church existed BEFORE the Scripture.
The Bible was given to the Church, not the other way around.
And by discounting the oral teachings of the Apostles, and the Early Church Fathers, you are steering for the rocks.
The Church is the only true guide for interpretation, not the individual.
Mt 9:38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us." 39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us.
Wesley said the following on the verse:
9:40 For he that is not against you, is for you - Our Lord had formerly said, he that is not with me, is against me: thereby admonishing his hearers, that the war between him and Satan admitted of no neutrality, and that those who were indifferent to him now, would finally be treated as enemies. But here in another view, he uses a very different proverb; directing his followers to judge of men's characters in the most candid manner; and charitably to hope that those who did not oppose his cause wished well to it. Upon the whole, we are to be rigorous in judging ourselves, and candid in judging each other.
Henry VIII did have Welsh blood. His great-grandfather was Welsh; in fact, their original surname was "Tudur" rather than the anglicized "Tudor."
Considering what a brazier is, I found nothing in the post to be “making it personal,” i.e. “he says as he removes his pan of hot coals.” Does it mean anything else?
That’s what I thought. This got me wondering about Brittany, where Henry VII had lived for a number of years before he won the English crown.
I don’t know how accurate Wiki is, but...
The first Christian missionaries came to the region from Ireland and Great Britain. With more than 300 “saints” (only a few recognized by the Catholic Church), the region is strongly Catholic.
As in other Celtic regions, the legacy of Celtic Christianity has left a rich tradition of local saints and monastic communities, often commemorated in place names beginning Lan, Lam, Plou or Lok.
Your article was originally written by a newspaper columnist, Ann Landers I believe, with the slight change of stating the Orthodox broke off from the Catholics.
The article was sent to me by e-mail. If it is plagarized, then please provide proof.
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