Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
"And then what happened after 1260 days??? Why is the number of days significant???"
Iscool, I wish I could explain it but I don't understand. Revelation and Daniel, both, have to do with this but parts of their prophcies are way over my head.
It has to do with the end of days and has something to do with how long the 2 witnesses are here, and how long Satan's time is. When you study this think of the days as years (Daniel's time). Also, any prophecy given in months, has to do with Satan (lunar, of the dark) while prophecy in days is for us, children of the light.
I can not believe this thread has nearly 2000 posts. This article was not worthy of a response!
Hey, we had a lot of fun with this thread!
**[Matthew 10:5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.**
Huh?
In the story of the Sameitan woman, Christ is talking with her. And then the apostles show up and are amazed that He is talking with a Samaritan woman.
Much like the Israelie and the Palestinians, so deep was the hatred between the Jews and the Samaritans. Another modern day example might be the Sunii and the Shiites in Iraq. Who knows, maybe some of these people ARE decendants??
Here are just a few:
a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1795130/posts">Catholic Converts - Stephen K. Ray (former Evangelical)
Catholic Converts - Malcolm Muggeridge
Catholic Converts - Richard John Neuhaus
Catholic Converts - Avery Cardinal Dulles
Catholic Converts - Israel (Eugenio) Zolli - Chief Rabbi of Rome
Catholic Converts - Robert H. Bork , American Jurist (Catholic Caucus)
Catholic Converts - Marcus Grodi
I'm not sure....but I think we both need to bone up on this!
**There is only one ancient city that is rather famously known as the city on seven hills: Rome. Babylon certainly wasn't.**
You are correct.. The Book of Revelation was written by John for the Christians of that day who were being persecuted. It is written with a lot of code in it. Things that the Christians would have understood. I have posted a couple other posts with the parallels.
Babylon meant Rome.
The Beast = Nero and then Domitian
When the Israelites divided into 2 kingdoms after the death of King Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel was established in the northern section of the Promised Land, in accordance with the lands allotted to the 10 tribes in that area. Shechem was the original capital, until Jeroboam moved it to Tirzah. Later, in approximately 880 B.C., Omri, the sixth King of Israel, established the capital at Samaria, a new town built on a hilltop about 7 miles (11 kilometers) northwest of Shechem. "Samaria" came to be used interchangeably for both the city, and the region. After the northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians, the region then known as Samaria was reduced in size. By the time of Jesus it was bounded by Galilee to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Judea to the south and the Jordan River to the east. Today, it is in the so-called "West Bank" area. Very telling....huh?
In the story of the Samaritan woman, Christ is talking with her. And then the apostles show up and are amazed that He is talking with a Samaritan woman.
This story takes place very early in Our Lord's ministry and as noted....[John 4:4] He had to go through Samaria.
Not only are the Apostles amazed....so is the Samaritan women...(verse 9) the Samaritan woman therefore saith to him, 'How dost thou, being a Jew, ask drink from me, being a Samaritan woman?' for Jews have no dealing with Samaritans.
As I posted earlier, the Samaritans were transplanted pagans from Babylon [II Kings 17:24] from about the seventh century B.C. and had continued in their pagan practices while taking on some of the elements of the God of Abraham. [II Kings 17:33-34]. The Jews, (Judah and Benjamin) being their neighbors to the south knew this....and despised them. This is the primary reason our Lord gave instructions to the twelve not to go there! [Matthew 10:5]
This is what Josephus has to say about them: So when Alexander had thus settled matters at Jerusalem, he led his army into the neighboring cities; and when all the inhabitants to whom he came received him with great kindness, the Samaritans, who had then Shechem for their metropolis, (a city situate at Mount Gerizzim, and inhabited by apostates of the Jewish nation,) seeing that Alexander had so greatly honored the Jews, determined to profess themselves Jews; for such is the disposition of the Samaritans, as we have already elsewhere declared, that when the Jews are in adversity, they deny that they are of kin to them, and then they confess the truth; but when they perceive that some good fortune hath befallen them, they immediately pretend to have communion with them, saying that they belong to them, and derive their genealogy from the posterity of Joseph, Ephraim, and Manasseh. Accordingly, they made their address to the king with splendor, and showed great alacrity in meeting him at a little distance from Jerusalem. And when Alexander had commended them, the Shechemites approached to him, taking with them the troops that Sanballat had sent him, and they desired that he would come to their city, and do honor to their temple also; to whom he promised, that when he returned he would come to them. And when they petitioned that he would remit the tribute of the seventh year to them, because they did but sow thereon, he asked who they were that made such a petition; and when they said that they were Hebrews, but had the name of Sidonians, living at Shechem, he asked them again whether they were Jews; and when they said they were not Jews, "It was to the Jews," said he, "that I granted that privilege; however, when I return, and am thoroughly informed by you of this matter, I will do what I shall think proper." And in this manner he took leave of the Shechenlites; but ordered that the troops of Sanballat should follow him into Egypt, because there he designed to give them lands, which he did a little after in Thebais, when he ordered them to guard that country.
Notice in verse 12 of John 4....the Samaritan woman even lies about her heritage to Our Lord: Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? She was no more a descendant of Israel than Bin Laden!
They had no honor, they were pagans and the only time the Apostles became involved with them was in Acts 8 when Philip, a non Apostle, convinced Peter and John to come up and help him in Samaria. Look at the result regarding the beginnings of the entire "Simon Magus affair" and subsequent apostasy.
And to acquaint oneself with the way any number of psycho-sociopathies can find fulfillment and take refuge in the activity of making patently and bizarrely false charges against the Church in a perpetually self-verifying and unfalsifiable three card Monte of overstated and unsubstantiable claims of pseudo-scholarship -- all this is illuminating. When I see what happens if one begins with the proposition the the Church is wrong from the ground up, I feel like I was rescued at the last minute from intellectual suicide.
"One mausoleum, designated mausoleum M, has sparked much debate because of the mosaics with which it is decorated. One figure in particular, depicting the sun-god, is often interpreted as Christ. [Christus helios, the mosaic of Sol in Mausoleum M, which is interpreted as Christ-Sol] This would make the mausoleum the single exception to the rule that all mausolea in the necropolis are pagan. However, this mausoleum has been the focus of some of my own research that deals with the Roman sun god, and I question the Christian interpretation given to its mosaics."
The Vatican contends that Sun-God symbols on the tomb of their founder are Christian when in fact these were insignias of Simon Magus. Note this from the Schaff-Herzogg Encyclopedia:
"[The] high fame which he [Simon Magus] enjoyed throughout Samaria reached its culmination in his identification with the Semitic sun god Shamash, whose cult was united with that of the moon goddess Astarte". [V 10; p 420; # 5]
This may very well explain the idolatrous attachment the Vatican has with their famous Sun-burst monstrances and other Sun God images that permeate its regalia. They were the emblems of Simon Magus who was probably buried in the shrine of the Sun God there on Vatican Hill that had to be demolished by Constantine when he built the first St Peters Basilica. If they check those bones again that came out of this Sun God mausoleum, they will probably find them to be Samaritan not Jewish.
And lest we forget our history, Constantine built the first Basilica over the tomb that he considered to be the founder of his newly formed Roman Christianity, and until the day he died he was dedicated to the cult of the Sol Invictus, the Invincible Sun God.
I consider "Gli Scavi del Dominus Flevit" as I do Luther's Theses, and anything by Menno Simons or Ulrich Zwingli.
I think that your premises are a little shaky here, when you have to interject into what might be a reasonable debate with "One would expect to find Paul's burial place there in Rome as he died there, and his burial place somewhere other than in a pagan cemetery where the likes of Simon Magus would be buried. "
I think rather that the dedicated anti-Catholic crowd is still at its heart extremely unsure of its position, and only in the fire of battle against us can you ignore that little voice that is telling you that apostacy is still apostacy and heresy is still heresy. I mean, let's face it; why would you believe the Bible? It is because the Catholic Church has told people the truth for 2000 years. Taking a shallow two dimensional copy of the magnificent Christian religion, abridging and editing it further, and making it the heart of your very beliefs is astounding to me.
Other than the arrogance of self-made religion and the convenience of beliefs that are alterable on the spot, what good is it? You don't have the whole Bible. You don't have the Magisterium. You don't have the Apostolic Succession and therefore the authority to teach and interpret. What do you have other than what the Bible itself warns against in the most grave of terms? Priding one's self on strict Biblical interpretation is aginst Biblical teachings.
And for good reason. Even the Devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes. Are you made in God's image or is God made in your image?
Well wait a minute, Salvation.
No less than our own Bible experts on this thread claim that if Biblical writers wrote in code, then the entire Bible needs to be re-examined and re-interpreted, since if there is one code, then there are many, and the Church Fathers cannot have been expected to understand such things.
I'm glad that FR has people that will step up and completely remake Christianity in the way that it ought to be, and not rely on the succession of corrupt idiots that have guided us for 2000 years.
This is just a PS: to my earlier post to you about prophecy given in months or days.
As I said, months are lunar and have to do with the dark, or Satan. I think that carries over to those that set their calendars by the moon too. That would be those our country is presently at war with.
You are right. This thread wasn't worthless. If the credit card/"get out of Hell Free" thing goes through, I am so going to make it to Heaven!!! :o)
[Revelation 2:9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
From my post #1951.....as Josephus would say; "They call themselves Jews when it is to their benefit."
John, the Revelator knew this also, knew about Simon and his counterfeit religion (Remember, John wrote late in the first century), knew of the history of the Samaritans and knew that this was the beginning of a great apostasy. "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. [Revelation 3:9]
John repeats himself twice in calling these Samaritans the synagogue of Satan....just to let us know for sure where to look, I guess.
"Shame on every Catholic who knows about this and is unwilling to tell as many of their own as possible."
Huh? We should tell who? What?...That the Franciscans have the bones of the Rock?
Uncle Chip - "This may very well explain the idolatrous attachment the Vatican has with their famous Sun-burst monstrances and other Sun God images that permeate its regalia. "
Ping - Your reference to the sun god brings to mind Ez.8:3-18. It shows how God feels about it and as His Word is the same today as it was yesterday.
6.He is saying that the House of Israel commits these abominations and because of that, "I should go afar off from My sanctuary" If the House of Israel is, as I believe, the Christian nations of today, what are we committing that He finds to be an "abomination"?
14."behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz". What does that mean? It's a pagan ritual still in many of our churches today and it is an abomination to God.
16...."were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the SUN toward the east"
18.THEREFORE WILL I ALSO DEAL IN FURY; MINE EYE SHALL NOT SPARE, NEITHER WILL I HAVE PITY; AND THOUGH THEY CRY IN MINE EARS WITH A LOUD VOICE, YET WILL I NOT HEAR THEM."
A very strong condemnation from Father.
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