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Jesus Family Tomb Talking Points
Gamecock

Posted on 02/26/2007 4:15:48 AM PST by Gamecock

I'm sure that by now all of you have heard about the claim that the ossuary of Christ's family has been found.

I would like to open a thread that will help us develop answers to friends, both Christians and atheists who might come to us with questions about it all.

Please feel free to post your rebuttals for others to use!

Biblical, rational, scientific, philosophical, whatever you can come up with is more than welcome!


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; biblicalarcheology; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; jamescameron; jesustomb; letshavejerusalem; simchajacobovici; talpiot; theology
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To: Between the Lines
Where does he get this list of names? From the Gospels. There is no other historical documents that put these names together.

Does he have to ascribe deity to Jesus in order to accept that this list of names might be accurate?

Now these are the same Gospels that he debunks as being incorrect. He argues that the Gospels are wrong about the death and resurrection of Jesus, that Jesus was married, and by adding a son he even changes the list of names that he uses as evidence of his find.

First of all he doesn't argue that the death and resurrection are wrong. He offers that the resurrection may have still taken place perhaps at a different location. Be that as it may because he doesn't accept certain interpretations of the writings doesn't mean he should dismiss out of hand other geographical and historical information. You should have no problem that he added a name to the list. You're the one wanting him to use another source other than the NT.

I think his evidence is shaky at best. But sheesh if you're going to attempt to debunk his theories at least try and be accurate.

101 posted on 02/26/2007 1:06:22 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Between the Lines
You cannot call a book a lie while using it as you only factual reference.

Sure you can. The protocols of the elders of zion was a lie but some geographical and historical info was correct. Clinton's memoirs will have Washington, DC on the east coast I'm sure.

102 posted on 02/26/2007 1:08:11 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Why can't I be happy for you? Because I share Paul's sadness that you remain apart from Christ.

It is a freedom well-worth possessing.

As Jesus read from Isaiah...

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord." -- Luke 4:18-19


103 posted on 02/26/2007 1:23:44 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights; Blogger
I think the vast majority of them are so ill informed they have no idea who they are embracing.

I wish that were true. Sadly, most of Hollywood knows exactly what they are embracing and they're proud of it.

Films like "American Beauty" and "Cider House Rules" and "Crash" and "Babel" are put in front of the American audience with a clear agenda. And unsuspecting, indiscriminate fools lap it up.

Or so Hollywood would have us believe. There's a very good reason attendance is down.

104 posted on 02/26/2007 1:31:17 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
""Does he have to ascribe deity to Jesus in order to accept that this list of names might be accurate?""

Where did you get that from?

First of all he doesn't argue that the death and resurrection are wrong. He offers that the resurrection may have still taken place perhaps at a different location.

You do realize that your first sentence contradicts your second sentence.

105 posted on 02/26/2007 1:42:04 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Cvengr

Yeah, I wish for him salvation, too.

Otherwise, that he get off the stage.


106 posted on 02/26/2007 2:06:19 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Certainly faith is a gift of God.

Though our exercise of it may involve some willfulness.


107 posted on 02/26/2007 2:07:07 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I still think your screenname is one of the more fascinating hereon.


108 posted on 02/26/2007 2:08:08 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

To those who have been given faith, every star, ocean, hair, sparrow, child, storm and mountain serves Jesus Christ. All things were made by Him, for Him. Because we have been quickened by Him, because we are not of this world but of God, we understand this and believe. The "evidence" is everywhere, most especially in Scripture, and there we learn of our salvation.
= = =

Agreed.


109 posted on 02/26/2007 2:09:02 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Ludicrous. Are you saying the NT has no historical or geographical value at all for the non-beleiver?
= = =

I've read a fair number asserting it had no redeeming social value at all.

Of course . . . 'blind' bias makes all kinds of brash statements.


110 posted on 02/26/2007 2:10:41 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Quix
Yep, we're a willful lot. Good thing God sends the Holy Spirit to conform our wills to His.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" -- Ephesians 2:4-6


111 posted on 02/26/2007 2:15:24 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

. . . to give us the will and the to do . . .


112 posted on 02/26/2007 2:24:14 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Good thing God sends the Holy Spirit to conform our wills to His.

Slavery, by any other name...

113 posted on 02/26/2007 2:30:59 PM PST by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why can't I be happy for you? Because I share Paul's sadness that you remain apart from Christ. It is a freedom well-worth possessing.

Oh please. Don't be sad. As Paul said, "Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice".

As Jesus read from Isaiah...

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord." -- Luke 4:18-19

Again, be happy. After all, I'm happy for you. :-)

114 posted on 02/26/2007 2:36:58 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Between the Lines
me First of all he doesn't argue that the death and resurrection are wrong. He offers that the resurrection may have still taken place perhaps at a different location.

You do realize that your first sentence contradicts your second sentence.

That all got? I thought you were going to continue to show me where the NT had no historical or geographical significance to the unbeliever.

115 posted on 02/26/2007 2:39:25 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Quix
Of course . . . 'blind' bias makes all kinds of brash statements.

Couldn't have worded it better myself.

116 posted on 02/26/2007 2:40:33 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Quix
I still think your screenname is one of the more fascinating hereon.

Oh ya? :-) How so?

117 posted on 02/26/2007 2:41:56 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Gamecock

Why bother arguing about it? If your faith tells you that it's not true, you'll not change your own mind, and likely won't change anyone else's either.


118 posted on 02/26/2007 2:46:03 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Junior

As Dylan says, "You're gonna have to serve somebody."


119 posted on 02/26/2007 2:46:18 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Blogger
Hate to say it, but "The Last Temptation of Christ" was far from an anti-Christian movie. Granted it depicted scenes we normally don't associated with Jesus' life, but those were represented as a "fantasy temptation" for Christ to step down off the cross and lead a "normal" mortal life, rather than enduring the pain, suffering, and weight of the world's sin.

If you can watch it and read the message contained, it's really a terrific testament to what Jesus gave up to die for your sins. Dafoe played the most "human" Jesus I've ever seen, and not the overly-deified portrayal you normally see.

I like to think in his time on earth, Jesus was a man, with temptations, fears, and doubts like any other man, but one who ultimately had the courage and conviction to fulfill his destiny.

120 posted on 02/26/2007 4:00:25 PM PST by cincinnati65 (Lucky participant in 189 different Nigerian business deals......still waiting on payment.)
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