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Plano parish will pay to leave Episcopal Church
Episcopal News Service ^ | Friday, September 15, 2006 | Mary Frances Schjonberg

Posted on 09/15/2006 6:30:24 PM PDT by fgoodwin

Plano parish will pay to leave Episcopal Church

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_77847_ENG_HTM.htm

Christ Church Plano, Diocese of Dallas reach 'godly judgment'

Episcopal News Service
Mary Frances Schjonberg
Friday, September 15, 2006

The vestry and rector of Christ Church in Plano, Texas announced September 15 that the parish will pay the Diocese of Dallas $1.2 million for its title to the parish property and disassociate themselves from the Episcopal Church.

Bishop James Stanton said, in one of two statements posted on the website of Christ Church in Plano, that he had come to the conclusion that there are "irreconcilable differences between Christ Church and the Episcopal Church, differences that would necessitate their separation from the Episcopal Church and, consequently, from the Diocese of Dallas."

"In many ways, clearly, this is a sad occasion for our Diocese," he wrote.

Stanton wrote that he had issued a "godly judgment" allowing permitting the parish to separate from the diocese.

The website statement from the Christ Church vestry and its rector, the Rev. Canon David H. Roseberry, claims canonical authority for Stanton's "godly judgment." Neither their statement nor Stanton's gives a canonical citation for that authority.

There is a reference to a bishop's authority to issue a godly judgment in Title III, Canon 15, "Of the Dissolution of the Pastoral Relation," specifically Section 4(a)]. The canon deals with differences between a rector and vestry. It allows the bishop to "give notice to the Rector and Vestry that a godly judgment will be rendered" if the bishop concludes that the differences have not and cannot be resolved.

"I have believed that this is essentially a pastoral matter, and as such should be dealt with in a genuine spirit of Christian charity and mission," Stanton said. "I am pleased that all parties and every phase of our discussions have exemplified that spirit."

He wrote that a "contract for withdrawal is in place" that calls for the $1.2 million lump sum payment and for Christ Church to be responsible for its total indebtedness of $6.8 million.

"This arrangement secures their title and helps our Diocese continue to pursue its mission over the next few years," Stanton wrote.

Christ Church was founded in 1985 by Roseberry at the request of the late Bishop Donis Patterson of Dallas, and now has about 1,900 worshippers per weekend, according to its website. In the most recent statistics posted on the congregational development portion of the Episcopal Church's website, the parish claimed about 3,300 baptized members in 2004, and plate and pledge income of about $3.85 million .

The parish hosted the January 2004 meeting which resulted in the formation of the Network of Anglican Communion Dioceses and Parishes (NACDP), sometimes referred to as the Anglican Communion Network (ACN).

"The decision of other parishes to remain in the Diocese of Dallas must not be seen as an endorsement" of the policies and actions of the Episcopal Church to which Christ Church objects," Stanton wrote.

Of the Episcopal Church's 7600 congregations, approximately 30 have experienced a majority vote of members to affiliate with an overseas diocese. In most cases, a smaller parish continues in loyalty to the diocese and wider Episcopal Church.

The statement from Roseberry and the vestry says that the process began with a June 24 statement from the vestry issued after a two-day meeting, announcing its intention to disassociate from the Episcopal Church.

That statement, issued three days after the end of the 75th General Convention, said, in part: "The mission of Christ Church is to make disciples and teach them to obey the commands of Christ. The direction of the leadership of the Episcopal Church is different and we regret their departure from biblical truth and the historic faith of the Anglican Communion."

The Christ Church statement says that Stanton has invited Bishop Bill Godfrey of Peru "to provide oversight of Christ Church and her clergy as we take our next step," calling the arrangement a temporary one.

"In God's perfect timing, these positive steps have cleared the way for Christ Church to find a new home within the Anglican Communion," the statement says, calling them "Chapter Two" in the congregation's life.


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1 posted on 09/15/2006 6:30:25 PM PDT by fgoodwin
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To: fgoodwin

This seems to be a pattern.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 6:44:11 PM PDT by ladyinred
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3 posted on 09/15/2006 6:47:54 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: fgoodwin

One and a half million? Will the Episcopal Church send the money to some Islamic charity or use it to fund a gay dating service?


4 posted on 09/15/2006 7:07:56 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

Don't give them any ideas!


5 posted on 09/15/2006 7:55:28 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and and proud father of a First Class Boy Scout!)
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To: sionnsar

I knew a Canon Bill Godfrey at the Cathedral of the Incarnation, Garden City, NY.

I don't know anyone who has the "blue" book, the Directory of every Priest in the Episcopal Church, even if they are overseas.

Nah, I guess it can't be the same guy. He'd have to be in 70's, and I'd have to wonder what he was doing in Peru.


6 posted on 09/15/2006 8:05:31 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: madprof98

I doubt Stanton will let the money leave Texas. He may be planning to use it for legal fees when TEC comes after him.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 11:37:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: fgoodwin

Plano parish has been leaving since the moment Vickie was made a bishop.


8 posted on 09/16/2006 4:22:42 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: fgoodwin

Christ Church was "founded" by Roseberry? Don't think so.


9 posted on 09/16/2006 4:24:13 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: fgoodwin
The vestry and rector of Christ Church in Plano, Texas announced September 15 that the parish will pay the Diocese of Dallas $1.2 million for its title to the parish property and disassociate themselves from the Episcopal Church.

Clearly this is a parish of means. That's a lot of money.

I still don't understand how buying up parish property and "disassociation" changes anything. How can a parish BUY its way out of being a member of a FAITH? How can an entire parish suddenly NOT be Episcolpalian? How can it suddenly BE something else?

10 posted on 09/16/2006 6:41:02 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: starfish923; beelzepug; torqemada
How can an entire parish suddenly NOT be Episcolpalian? How can it suddenly BE something else?

In much the same way a parish can suddenly be created.

In my church's case, there were a number of Episcopalians (at some church, I don't know which) that got fed up with PECUSA. (This was in the days when the new "prayer book" and womens' ordination was being forced upon the church by its rul... er, leaders.) They walked out and formed a new parish within a Continuing Anglican jurisdiction.

The reach from some to all of a parish is a little bit more involved in that you may have to shut down the former legal entity in the process.

Christ Church is not buying its way out of a faith, they're leaving a jurisdiction. And they're buying the church property to take with them.

This is an easier route than one church in our jurisdiction ended up taking. A large majority of that church left ECUSA and formed a new church in our jurisdiction. There were too few left in the ECUSA to maintain the (historic) church, so the building went on the block. For sale to anybody *but* the group that had left. It was bought and turned into an upscale Chinese restaurant that went under in a few years. Through some interesting twists and turns, it went up for sale again and was eventually bought by the church in my jurisdiction, for much less than they would have paid originally.

11 posted on 09/16/2006 9:09:29 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: TruthNtegrity
Church Publishing: Clergy/Parish Finder Listing for William Godfrey.

Anglican Diocese of Peru has his picture.

12 posted on 09/16/2006 9:26:05 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: PAR35
Bishop Stanton has been withholding payments to the TEC for years. This money may go to many things, new mission churches, work in Africa that is very active in Dallas or legal fees, but it won't go to TEC.

As to the size of this church, nothing holds it back in growth. If not for being a part of ECUSA it would have 4 or 5 thousand members. They have a HUGE property and three services each Sunday in their main sanctuary with a smaller 250 person chapel available if needed. They preach the Gospel and bring people to Christ. Did I mention that they started a mission church 30 miles north and it now has 250 members? They know how to grow the faith and it is not about inclusion but about the Gospel.

13 posted on 09/19/2006 8:23:04 AM PDT by q_an_a
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