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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
The Neverending Story
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To: ksen
what were the crimes of the 3. what was the difference between criminal number 1 and 2?
To: ksen
Besides your governor has his hands full just trying to save an innocent life. You do have some down there that do act like they are God though:'(
To: CindyDawg
what were the crimes of the 3. what was the difference between criminal number 1 and 2?For the sake of discussion they all committed 1st degree murder. They all actively participated together in the killing of an innocent man.
That said, does the Governor owe any of them amnesty after they've been found guilty, sentenced, and used all of their appeals?
2,983
posted on
04/09/2004 5:33:52 PM PDT
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: CindyDawg
Besides your governor has his hands full just trying to save an innocent life. You do have some down there that do act like they are God though:'(Ain't that the truth. ;^(
2,984
posted on
04/09/2004 5:34:58 PM PDT
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: malakhi
"By "free choice" I mean, capable of making moral choices, and capable of obeying or disobeying God." Sure, I would agree that under your definition of "free choice" we do have the capability of obeying or disobeying God.
"Even in scripture, this doesn't always happen, though. God didn't force Saul back into obedience."
God didn't force Saul into obedience because He had selected David to take Saul's place. David was annoited to be king long before Saul went to see the witch of Endor.
2,985
posted on
04/09/2004 5:42:19 PM PDT
by
HarleyD
(For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
It's 57, at last, and still counting...
2,986
posted on
04/09/2004 5:45:14 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
To: ksen
Why would he want to save one and not the other 2 ? What's so special about the one?
To: rwfromkansas; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
~~"Vance is no moderate...his book...is pure trash and unfounded accusations."~~
I agree. His agenda comes across loud and clear -- obscure, deny, defame.
Mack, you refused to read the Spurgeon quotes I posted to you and dismissed them as merely Calvinism from another Calvinist. But you read Vance and think you understand Reformed theology.
You don't, and won't by reading Vance. Read Spurgeon or Piper, and then you might. (You can read it very quickly and it won't hurt a bit.)
Better yet, here's Ian Paisley's website, a righteous Protestant keeping the Romanists in line in Northern Ireland.
http://www.ianpaisley.org/
2,988
posted on
04/09/2004 6:14:14 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Nope.
Not in the least.
Why should I be?
2,989
posted on
04/09/2004 6:24:03 PM PDT
by
jude24
(Explore the meaning behind THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- www.thelife.com)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Righetous Protestants" don't get arrested for kidnapping.
2,990
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04/09/2004 6:24:34 PM PDT
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jude24
(Explore the meaning behind THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- www.thelife.com)
To: rwfromkansas; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; jude24
2,991
posted on
04/09/2004 6:25:44 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
To: jude24
What have I missed?
2,992
posted on
04/09/2004 6:27:43 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
How frustrated God must be. He wants everyone saved, but some still slip through His fingers. And how powerful man must be to thwart the Creator of heaven and earth.
God grieves at the loss, yes. It is not the frustration of One who cannot make something occur that they wish to occur. It is the frustration of loving someone to die for them to make them whole and then not having that love returned, nor wholeness achieved. And it is not power that man inherently possesses that allows him to do this. It is power that God has given to him with the gift of Free Will.
Do you notice how easily your weighted arguments are answered by simply changing the nuance with which you intepret Arminianism? You might want to consider the very real possibility that you have no idea what Arminians believe. But you can prove a poor straw man version of the theology wrong in 30 seconds flat and that is indeed something upon which to hang your hat.
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Wow! So 99% of Arminians believe in Limited Atonement?The way Kevin stated it, I do not believe Arminians would have a problem with at all. The Atonement is not efficacious in the lives of those who do not put their faith in Christ. That is a truism of the simplest order. It is when you venture beyond this statement that you lose us.
To: CindyDawg
Why would he want to save one and not the other 2 ? What's so special about the one?That's the whole point of the illustration CD. There is nothing special about any of them. Just like there is nothing special about any of us.
That's what makes God's Grace so wonderful. We didn't merit anything from Him, and yet He still poured His Grace out on us.
2,995
posted on
04/09/2004 6:49:26 PM PDT
by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: ksen
Jesus was delivered up by the determinate counsel of God, and yet Peter still says His accusers are responsible for their actions, including Judas.The fact that God's plans are acted out in the course of Human history is no more a point in favor of Calvinism than it is Arminianism. You will disagree with me. But that is because you are a Calvinist. Heilgeshicte is the wondrous plan of God through time and space and it has been enacted exactly as the Almight has seen fit. And yet human clay has been part of that process. Not in the role of a marionette, but as an active participant, choosing to do both evil and good, God knowing each step which would be taken at every turn and yet still allowing choice to be made.
To: ksen
No He's not Kevin. Per your senerio He's picking and choosing. No special reason why. Pilate did it to please the people. Governors do it sparringly if a doubt. P. Clinton pardened... never mind. Why would God do something like this?
Have you thought about what if you really aren't one of the elect? You love Jesus with all your heart but he may have decided your fate was hell before He created you and there is nothing you can do about it. He already made up His mind before you could know Him. Would you feel differently then if you weren't just talking about "those people" and it was affecting you personally?
To: Dr. Eckleburg
For Arminians, there's no real security in God; only the tenuous hope in their good behavior, wise choices and God's suggestions.Thankfully, you do not get to define my spirituality and theology anymore than I do yours.
My hope is not tenuous as it rests upon the rock of Christ, the Cornerstone upon which all the Church was established.
My hope does not rest upon good behavior for as a good Arminian I believe I was born with a corrupted nature and I began life without righteousness. Further, I take the Scripture very seriously when it says that I am saved by grace through faith, that it is a gift of God, not of works so I should not boast.
Additionally, my hope is not founded on my "wise" choices which will save me for my choicest wisdom is as the foolishness of God.
And finally, God does not make suggestions. He has a perfect will for each of our lives. But He, in his Infinite wisdom, has chosen to allow us to choose blessing or curse, life or death.
Perhaps you could actually read through what I read, rather than trying to shove Arminians into the cubbyhole which you have fashioned for them.
To: Tares
In 2 Peter 3:9, the “us-ward”, “any”, and “all” that Peter referred to are the saints of God, the elect. Peter’s epistles were written specifically to believers, as the first sentence of his second epistle (and first epistle as well) clearly states:Your interpretation makes the verse into a truism hardly worth uttering, much less interpreting.
To: malakhi
This doesn't say that Satan was placed in him. It says that the devil put the thought/desire in Judas's heart to betray Jesus.Wouldn't this be a typically Jewish way of expressing the idea you expressed? I'm thinking of King Saul and the evil spirit, specifically.
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