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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Not when considering the context:
Mat 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."
Mat 1:22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
Mat 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
The bible is referring to Jesus Christ, when in the flesh as "God with Us" not "God will be with us in the future millenial kingdom".
Thomas calls the resurrected Christ "God". Not only that, he calls him "My God". He doesn't say "You who will sit on the throne in the future and thus can be considered God." He calls him "My Lord AND my God."
I believe that Thomas fully understood that the messiah was God in the flesh.
If this were the only evidence then you might have a point. But take into account the totality of scripture and it's pretty convincing. Steven, you are left with a number of facts:
1. Jesus directly refers to himself as "I AM", identifying himself as the eternal God.
2. The Pharisees recognize that he is claiming to be the eternal God and want to kill him for it.
3. The author of Hebrews refers to Jesus as God.
4. The book of John attests that Christ pre-existed.
5. Paul says that Jesus Christ took part in the creation of the world, everything was created through him and for him.
6. Thomas recognized him as God, calling him so.
7. Matthew refers to him as "God with US" (not will be with us).
8. Revelation:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Compare that to:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Who is being referred to in verse 8 but Jesus Christ?
Thomas calls the resurrected Christ "God". Not only that, he calls him "My God". He doesn't say "You who will sit on the throne in the future and thus can be considered God." He calls him "My Lord AND my God."
You were there? I believe he was looking at the Messiah and praising God for what He had done. He doesn't say I know you are God in the flesh. We can play the "doesn't say" game all day long.
I know you have to. Wouldn't want anyone to think you were wandering away from the "United Magesterium"? Would we? :-)
2. The Pharisees recognize that he is claiming to be the eternal God and want to kill him for it.
The Pharisees were wrong just as they were wrong about Him profaning the Sabbath for which they wanted to stone him for. You really ought to pay attention to some of the previous points I made.
3. The author of Hebrews refers to Jesus as God.
ah yes, more interpretation presented as fact.
4. The book of John attests that Christ pre-existed.
Only if you take "the Word made flesh" literally.
5. Paul says that Jesus Christ took part in the creation of the world, everything was created through him and for him.
Another man/god interpretation. God created with the Messianic plan in mind yes.
6. Thomas recognized him as God, calling him so.
Just explain why this interpretation is full of it. :-)
7. Matthew refers to him as "God with US" (not will be with us).
God was with us in the execution of His messianic plan. 8. Revelation:Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Compare that to:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Lord = Master. Doesn't always mean Doug.
I would post you all the claims by Yeshua in NT commentary that he refers to himself as a "prophet". And all the times he instructed his disciples to worship and pray to God. Which would far outnumber you labored and tortured interpretations but I wouldn't want to bore you.
Matthew 16:
[16] Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
[17] And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
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