IS IT TIME FOR AN "ARNOLD-TOM WIN/WIN DEAL" (?) OK. THEN HERE'S HOW....

Free Republic site ^ | 27 September 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

[AmericanInTokyo]

[Opinion. Open for Discussion.]

The vitriol and passion are reaching unparalleled heights.

Arnold Schwarzenegger feels he is close to an October 7th victory and that a knockout punch of both Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante is within tantalizing reach.

Were it all not for one jagged pebble in his hiking boot. State Senator Tom McClintock.

Both sides are polarized, even here and especially here, on Free Republic. And for damned good reason.

One side, comprised of so-called "RINOs", (moderate-centrists), later joined by pragmatic conservatives who see the paramount need to dethrone the irresponsible and dangerous Socialist Democrat regime in Sacramento, have dug in their heels in for a pitched battle against their new nemesis: the ranks of conservatives of principle who strongly support the continuation of their choice, Senator Tom McClintock, in order to prevent a sellout of the state of California to centrist or moderate political policies down the road.

OK. "Let's Make a Deal".

[45Auto]

The State Superintendent of Public Instruction and the state AG are elected offices in Cal; and right now,they are both held by communists. If either Arnold or Tom win, they are going to be in for one hell of a fight with the entrenched RAT-controlled state government. The gov, of course, holds the VETO pen, a powerful tool, indeed.

[DiamondDon1]

Hello Bobibutu:

There is no way that Tom will run for Senate...he knows the State but is not fluent in Federal issues.

The Republican Elite may offer Tom the Senate seat, but beware of what the Republican Elite tell you, or in other words, protect your back.

The Republican Elite has sold their soul to Arnold, and will sell their collective souls to whichever candidate they think could beat Boxer and right now they claim McClintock is "unelectable"...so what will change?

DD

[Congressman Billybob]

Tom made TWO promises, not just one. He promised he would "not be a spoiler." And he promised he would "stay to the end." With nine days to go, Tom stands at about 35% of Arnold's support level, and has raised about 50% as much money.

Tom's two promises are now in conflict with each other. Please state why you choose the promise which you think he should keep, over the one you think he should break.

Congressman Billybob

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[45Auto]

I think the one point that is missing from the discusssion is that it looks like Arnold is going to get some cross-over votes from the younger crowd, the college-age first time voter. Those usually go to the RATs, the farther left the better. In this case, many are impressed with the "Terminator" character (even though its fictional). I think Arnold will win (assuming Davis is recalled) even if Tom stays in.

[Phsstpok]

No. Thank you for asking.

[itsahoot]

The Republican Party decided some time ago to move away from its conservative roots and choose people to the left of Texas democrats to run under its banner.

Bingo

[jammer]

Some encouragement: no, you're not throwing your vote away by voting for the candidate of your choice. I have "thrown my vote away" many times in the past 35 years by simply doing what you are not--choosing the most "conservative" candidate who has a chance to win. THAT is throwing away a vote. Never again. Stay with your principles.

[Traction]

I agree with you that Davis is going to perform his last minute body slam on Arnold (25+ million will buy a lot of airtime). Arnold will not have time to get off the mate after it and the only one left standing will be Tom and he knows it. Bust-my-wallet is already dropping off the radar screen, keeping low from what's going to hit the fan. MC might pull it through because the broccoli that I work with have taken notice and are scare to death of Bust-my-wallet and would vote for MC except for the "he can't win" mantra. The last two days of the campaign will tell the tale. To all, wait and go to the poles. Don't send in those absentee ballots until you know who is on top.

[cake_crumb]

"So California is beyond hope?"

NO! You are not paying attention.

I am talking about the leftist propaganda machine, which despite 9/11/01, is still cranking along under the globally financed Third Way Movement. It may be burning a little oil now, and have developed a few squeaks and squeals, but it's still with us and still powerful. It will continue to be so for some years to come, because it's an internationally recogized weapon against evil capitalism. Hollywood is it's heart, but I would make the same prediction on many other places in this country.

You know why Bubba managed to spend so many years throwing drunken frat parties in the White House as well as I do.

I'm only projecting known, observable, quantifiable behavioral patterns a short way into the future, not giving CA up for lost. I see these same trends wherever there is a fashionable pocket of leftist power in this country.

[itsahoot]

the previous influence wielded will diminish drastically for certain politicians, voting blocs, organizations and pundits.

Uh, what influence would that be? McClintock is and has been under attack by TPB's since the beginning.

[L.N. Smithee]

You have to court Hispanic communities and sell them on the idea of individualism. That's a process; not an event.

Great. Tell us all how that selling job is supposed to be done by a conservative when the liberals (and some Republicans, like GWB) are telling Mexicans and Central Americans that their prize for making it across the border is every social service they can collectively demand.

[Congressman Billybob]

I've written this up twice before, so I'll be brief here. No one can technically withdraw at this point; all names remain on the ballot. However....

McC can endorse S. S and McC can both call on S to resign as Lt.-Gov. when he loses the replacement election. If B resigns, S appoints McC as Lt.-Gov. If B refuses to resign, new Gov. S moves him to a new "office" in the executive washroom, and by executive order gives all the functions that the Lt-Gov. would otherwise perform, to McC in the Lt.-Gov's office.

I happen to know that exactly this proposal went into the S and McC camps through a mutually trusted intermediary, three weeks ago.

John / Billybob

[CaptBlack]

The funny part is that those folks comprise a far greater number of GOP voters than the hard right folks ever dreamed of having - and if it weren't for them, the GOP would be a fringe party.

Can you explain what the "hard right" is?
I've seen the phrase (or variants thereof) routinely bandied about, but when I look at what McClintock stands for, I don't see anything extreme, i.e., "hard", about his views, just simple conservative values.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

What tax increases is he proposing to level on you?

The same ones that Pete Wilson "proposed" when he was campaigning in 1991 cake_crumb.

That damage control statement was totally uncalled for.

Save yourself some dignity and don't start whining on me, for crying out loud. It was quite relevant, not only are you rationalizing your support, you are apparently planning on rationalizing his manifest Failure as well.

I'm being realistic.

Whenever someone is compromising on principles they say this, what is different now is that you are compromising to the detriment of your party and your state, (actually mine, thanks for nothing) and you don't know it. Of course its going to be hard for anyone who takes over, the point is that the Celebrity is exact the wrong person to take over in this major crisis. Its crossroads and not a question of whether (R)nold will be a complete and utter disaster worse than anything Ventura was, its a question of whether it will take a full year or not to find this out.

Save the vitriol for someone else.

There was none, but if you want to go down that road I will oblige. I am in no mood for those who wish to feign victimhood. Unless of course you will put in writing that you will pay my tax increases and compensate me for my full wages where my company to move to tax free Nevada. Then you can say whatever you wish.

[ElkGroveDan]

Still it could be a win-win if not for dedicated losers like EGD.

I resent that you jerk. You have not had the experiences I have had with liberal Republicans. You can talk to me like that after you've walked a precinct or donated a dollar to a Republican campaign. The following is from a post the other day, because I am sick and tired of retyping it.

As for compromising in the name of winning, I did that, to a far greater extent than 99% of the people on FR. I did it three times that I regret, perhaps more. I was a statewide volunteer co-chairman for Pete Wilson in 1990. I did it because I wanted fair reapportionment. I worked my *ss off for those people and I spent thousands of dollars of my own money on printing flyers and picking up bar tabs here and there and buying food for college kids. I made long distance phone calls from my hotel room on business trips in order to put together rallies for the little marine.

All I got from it was a Governor set out to destroy conservatives and the grassroots of the party. Pete set out to remake the party in his own image and damn near destroyed it. He ran primary candidates in every good seat we had and caused us to lose many seats in the legislature. Thos b*st*rtds went on a personal jihad against conservatives who spoke out against Pete's massive tax increase. They kept blacklists and threatened legislators and campaigns against hiring any of us.

I did it a second time. I compromised my beliefs and held my nose to elect a supposed Republican mayor of Los Angeles because at least he would hire Republican staffers and make Republican appointments. The first thing that puke did was to fire all of his Republican campaign staff. He then went out and endorsed Diane Feinstein and donated money to Maxine Waters and every other liberal Democrat he could think of. He called Bill Clinton the greatest leader in the Free World.

Then guess what? I did it again. There was a special election for a congressional seat in the Bay Area in 1996. Liberal Tom Campbell was running for an open congressional seat. We were all told, hold your noses and help out. If nothing else, he's a vote for the Republican Speaker at a time when we need every single vote we can get. So I went out and walked precincts and had liberals try to spit on me for campaigning for a Republican in liberal areas. Campbell squeaked it out. And after the 1996 election in the closest race for Speaker in history that SOB voted against the Republican Speaker who barely won by 6 votes.

Sorry that's not why I'm in this business. Liberal Republicans can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I've compromised in the name of winning way too many times. You guys will all learn. Arnold has it written all over him. I've seen it too many times before. Don't explain to me the need to compromise to advance the Republican Party I've been there. It's the reason we are in such a mess today.

[knews_hound]

Don't send in those absentee ballots until you know who is on top.

Sound advise indeed my freepin friend.

Cheers,

knews hound

[itsahoot]

the party leadership will shaft McClintock in favor of Issa, Brulte, or Jones as the annointee to face Boxer. Promises of support for a McClintock run for Senator are worthless, and shouldn't enter into consideration here.
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Tooth, you are getting better with age. Thanks for all your well thought out comments.

[cake_crumb]

Oh, c'mon. That is too broad brush a buncha accusations. Be more specific. WHAT have I said, and WHERE have I EVER been unsupportive of McClintock?

[68 grunt]

Before reading even one comment in return I would agree with your four points, I almost take them as a given. Can you accept agreement?

[itsahoot]

The RIGHT VOTES on ideology.. NOT THE MAN. GOT THAT? .... I don't think you Do. Perhaps election day will convince you.

You could have my vote, send me an absentee ballot. You are a very astute politician, and I look forward to your term in Congress.