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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: Deo volente
Very good point re: the amnesia!
3,761 posted on 09/14/2003 8:29:43 PM PDT by kimmie7 (NEW developments re: Terri Schiavo!)
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation.

Here's their "Contact" page. You can send a request for him to help, and get a copy sent to your Email address. Mr. Reeve would like to hear this comment of Mr. Felos, I'm sure:

"The litmus test is whether or not a person can bring a spoon to their mouth."

If that doesn't get his attention, I don't know what will!

http://www.christopherreeve.org/feedback/feedback.cfm

Best to indicate "URGENT" in your Email subject line. These groups get tons of Emails, and yours might get noticed faster this way.
3,762 posted on 09/14/2003 9:18:59 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: kimmie7
I think the hearing starts at 3:00 p.m. That's what I found from my earlier post. Someone else might be able to verify, because that was at least second-hand info.

Praying for you and your friend (and grandma!). It's been a busy weekend, hasn't it?!! Here's to another heavy-duty day tomorrow, gang!!
3,763 posted on 09/14/2003 9:41:13 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida
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To: All
What are the over seven hundred FReepers doing for Terri?

Have they been active, and simply to modest to share their efforts?

Are they aware of the Terri threads? Do any of the Florida FReepers golf with any of the Florida 'establishment'?

They are ground zero for the euthanasia/death by decree 'system' in Florida. So where are they? What are they doing to stop the murder of a woman who will be put to death because she is unable to lift a spoon to her mouth?

Heeeeeeellllllloooooooo FLORIDA !!!

Answer the call.
It could be YOU who needs FR in your corner any day soon.

3,764 posted on 09/14/2003 11:51:43 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Deo volente; kimmie7
The consistent problem with medical journals/reports/findings is they are generalizations. The word 'may' is sprinkled very generously throughout their conclusions, because they are not conclusive, and can not be. A simple reminder to all medical researchers and practitioners who are a legend in their own minds - He is the final arbiter of life and death; health and disease.

Michael knows this, and he walks the path of a hunter who diligently covers his tracks.

3,765 posted on 09/15/2003 12:18:50 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: freeparoundtheclock; pc93; phenn
pc93, your suggestion to freeparoundtheclock that he or she seek support from actor Steve Reeves is a great idea!!!

freeparoundtheclock, Perhaps the Schindler-Schiavo Foundation though their Media Volunteer, Pamela F. Hennessy ( www.terrisfight.org )has made an effort to enlist Reeves in the past without success.

Even if this is the case, and you do have the time, I would urge you to proceed with the sense of urgency now surrounding Terri.

If this is a new effort for you phenn, a broadside from both freeparoundtheclock and yourself might be just the push that could make this happen.

3,766 posted on 09/15/2003 1:07:33 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
Just sent an Email to Christopher Reeve, through his foundation.
Contact page is above at Post #3762.

I can't find a personal Email address for him, just the foundation address, but I requested that it be delivered directly to him.

He's sure to be repelled by Felos' awful talk of the "litmus test" being "whether a person can put a spoon to their mouth". Christopher Reeve would not pass that test!

If Terri could get him in her corner, the fight would be over quickly, I would think.
3,767 posted on 09/15/2003 1:26:04 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: Deo volente
Strengthened but far from over. The darkside promoting Terri's murder is equivalent to climbing McKinley. Not impossible if you recognize the correct approach, know what your doing, and don't lead an expedition designed to fail.
3,768 posted on 09/15/2003 1:42:24 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Deo volente
Strengthened but far from over. The darkside promoting Terri's murder is equivalent to climbing McKinley. Not impossible if you recognize the correct approach, know what your doing, and don't lead an expedition designed to fail.
3,769 posted on 09/15/2003 1:47:19 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I'm in for Terri. Fasting and prayer bump.
3,770 posted on 09/15/2003 1:55:07 AM PDT by trustandobey (Pray Believing!)
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To: syriacus
I CAN'T SLEEP!

I can't get your post #3709 out of my mind.

Do the lawyers know about this case? Is it applicable to Terri's situation, regarding the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) ??

This is from the latest WorldNetDaily article:

When Greer asked if he shouldn't schedule the day for
removing the feeding tube, Bachman told him to "go
right ahead and issue it. But issue it at a date SO
FAR INTO THE FUTURE that Terri has at least had a
chance to learn to be able to eat. Let her eat. Under
the law you have no right to keep her from eating."

Under the law, the state of New York had no right to prevent Marilyn Bartlett from taking the Bar Exam. THEY HAD TO ACCOMMODATE HER DISABILITY. Of course, it only took her two extra days to complete the exam. The amount of time was not the issue, however. Under the
FEDERAL law (ADA), the state of Florida has to give Terri time to learn how to eat. However long it takes! THEY HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE HER DISABILITY.

from your post:
"In August, [2001]the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a learning-disabled woman has to have TWICE the normal 2 days to take the New York State bar examination, according to an article by Mark Hamblett in the New York Law Journal.
Marilyn Bartlett, whose 8-year fight with the New York State Board of Law Examiners has included an appeal to the US Supreme Court and two appearances before the 2nd Circuit Court, convinced Judge Sonia Sotomayor that she has a disability that should be accommodated under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)."

And also from your post:
"If the USA can give someone extra time to pass the bar, shouldn't the USA give someone extra time to prove she wants to communicate?

GOOD QUESTION!!!

from your post:
Noting that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals' precedents regarding the definition of disability set in this case are firmly established, Bartlett went on, "my battle has been waged so that others will not have to fight for their rights the way I had to."


I'm seeing a connection between Marilyn Bartlett's case and Terri's, BIG TIME!
(Or maybe I'm just extremely tired!)

NOW, I'm going to sleep.

Will be in prayer tomorrow for Terri.






3,771 posted on 09/15/2003 2:07:09 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: phenn
I think syriacus might be on to something here, in post #3709.

Has this been argued yet before Judge Lazzara?

Is it relevant? (A non-lawyer's question)
3,772 posted on 09/15/2003 2:14:13 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri will live.)
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To: kimmie7; floriduh voter; phenn; All
Not sure what gives here.  St. Pete Times...LEFTIST....Troxler...LEFTIST.  

"If a spoon vs. a tube is the entire difference between life or death, it is too fine a distinction. I would not be able to let her die on that basis."

Too thin a line between life, death for Schiavo

3,773 posted on 09/15/2003 5:06:12 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime; MarMema; kimmie7
On Bay News 9 this morning, they said that the other time exit protocol was started, they withheld nourishment & water for 60 hours and a Judge ordered it stopped.

Per Bay News 9, Terri's parents want the chance to rehab her to see if she can eat on her own. Of course Judge Greer could dismiss their request for that(just reporting).

Bay News 9 is going a great job. Glenn Beck just started. Ben Affleck dumped Jenny from the Block. Glenn is going to have less commercials - completely, new format for radio.

3,774 posted on 09/15/2003 6:09:21 AM PDT by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: windchime
Maybe he's a leftist, but at least he's a thinking leftist (I know...a contradiction in terms). That was a good article. He did much more research into both sides of the issue than most reporters so far. He has asked some important questions, and maybe understands what's at risk in this case. What side do we err on, the right-to-die or the right-to-live? "I would not be able to let her die on that basis." Me, either. Prayers for Terri!
3,775 posted on 09/15/2003 6:15:06 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida
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To: kimmie7
Please ping your list to 3762. Christopher Reeve's email address.
3,776 posted on 09/15/2003 6:27:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Deo volente
Thanks very much for reading the info on Marilyn Bartlett.

I'm glad that you understood what I meant, even though I didn't have much time yesterday to find a good summary of her case...I think this might be a better one.

"LEARNING DISABILITIES AND THE STATE BAR EXAMINATION, As published in The Buffalo Law Journal October 18, 2001

Marilyn Bartlett, who had taken the New York State Bar Exam several times and failed, alleged that her dyslexia substantially limited her major life activity of reading, or alternatively, working. She claimed that the state's Board of Law Examiners discriminated against her under the ADA (titles II and III) by failing to provide her with reasonable accommodations when taking the bar exam.

There are glaring differences between Bartlett and Terri. Bartlett had made accommodations to help her with her disability. She was able to obtain a doctorate, but needed accommodations to pass the NY bar exam. Terri can't help herself. She needs help in getting the accommodations she needs. (But isn't that the reason we have the ADA, anyway?)

Someone I know was researching Bartlett's case a few years back, while it was still unresolved, and we used to discuss it. I had forgotten all about Bartlett, until I was cleaning bookshelves in the living room yesterday and came across some printouts about her case.

Mike's examining doctors must be a little "slow" in the head, themselves, since they don't seem to take response time into account. Sheesh, "ordinary" teachers know that, in order to be effective, they must allow students the time they need to process and respond to oral questions or directives in class.

Terri should be given the time she needs to process questions and directives. She should also be given more than one chance to "pass" her test.

If Marilyn Bartlett, (who already is a college professor), gets >>>>extra time<<<< to take the bar exam, Terri should get extra time and support to pass an exam that means she gets to live. Since Marilyn Bartlett was given many chances to pass the law bar, Terri should be given many chances, too.

I think the expert witness on speech pathology made a good point about the accommodations that should have been made, all along, to help Terri deal with her disabilities.

For crying out loud, did Mike even do inexpensive things to improve Terri's environment?

I don't think he's bothered to do even simple, inexpensive, things to make life a little more "colorful" for Terri. If Terri is looking "up" quite a bit, couldn't posters/decorations have been applied to the ceiling? Couldn't they be routinely changed to stimulate her brain, keep her from being bored. Couldn't they have been moved a little, to encourage Terri to expand her vision "comfort-zone."

Even babies get mobiles over their cribs.

I think Bartlett's case also shows that the Federal Government can step into a case that had been handled in state courts, if the Americans with Disabilities Act is being violated.

3,777 posted on 09/15/2003 6:39:29 AM PDT by syriacus (Did Mike Schiavo buy mobiles to place over the crib of his baby? What did he buy for Terri?)
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To: floriduh voter
They didn't have anything on their site this morning. Are they going to cover the hearing?
3,778 posted on 09/15/2003 6:40:49 AM PDT by windchime
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To: MarMema
ping to catch up later
3,779 posted on 09/15/2003 6:46:50 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: windchime
Great column.

He must be a "compassionate" liberal.

I noticed he alludes to the same "smothering with a pillow" scenario that the Schindlers' lawyer did the other day in court.

I asked him - using a harsh example - what difference exists between removing the tube, and just putting a pillow over her face.
Great column.
3,780 posted on 09/15/2003 6:48:32 AM PDT by syriacus (Did Mike Schiavo buy mobiles to place over the crib of his baby? What did he buy for Terri?)
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