New Dinosaur Species Found in India

AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

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New Dinosaur Species Found in India

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.

[AndrewC]

I did NOT have to give a substantiation, the substantiation had already been given on another thread.

Your interest in treating other people as you would like to be treated and preventing flamewars seems to be at odds with that behavior. Again, you did not address the warning directly to the victim and more importantly you did not say to that victim why he should believe you, who could have been some yokel from Democratic Underground for all he knew.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply!

me: In the vote, the troll-calling provision won in a landslide.

you: Of course, it was already being used by one side. Why would they want to lose a weapon?

The votes just weren't there. The options were: with troll-calling, without troll-calling, either way.

There were more people voting on the Creation/Intelligent Design side for the agreement "either way" than there were for "without troll-calling."

I let both sides know exactly how many votes they would need to kill the agreement or throw it the other way, but the votes never came. The no-troll-calling provision had very few supporters and it failed.

[AndrewC]

If 56 was honest debate, then I am a creationist.

You tend to see things that are not there. I was called a troll on another thread for merely defending the statement "A transistor is essentially two diodes back-to-back".

[Aric2000]

I followed the existing agreement, if you think that it should be amended, feel free to put your input in when it comes up for review.

At this point though, I followed it to the letter.

Again, if you think that it should be changed, then state it in the agreement thread and we shall put it up for a vote.

But to let a troll start clean every thread is insane as far as I am concerned.

The troll gets an opportunity to prove that they are there to debate logically and without flamebaiting EVERY new thread, I gave him the opportunity, and he blew it, just as he always does.

He can't help himself, he HAS to attack, it is his way.

If he had controlled himself and actually ADDED something to the thread, I would have left it alone, but you can't say that #56 was not an invitation to a flamewar.

[AndrewC]

The votes just weren't there.

The votes weren't there to pass another resolution in the U.N. to invade Iraq.

[Alamo-Girl]

As you wish, I'm just trying to be very clear. Hugs!

[Aric2000]

I tend to see things that aren't there?

Now that is quite the statement, but I am going to leave it alone for now.

#56 was an attack, or do you think

Just because evolution is an extinct dinosaur doesn't make dinosaurs the exclusive domain of extinct evoloonies.

Free speech is a problem for you. You should start your own discussion club in your closet where it's relatively safe.

Is not considered an attack? and is NOT an invitation to start a flamewar?

Come on Andrew, I know that you are better then this.

[Alamo-Girl]

I was just the mediator not the commander-in-chief.

If one of the parties decides to go rogue all the remaining members can do is declare the rogue as non-compliant and refuse to engage him - and if he's a really troublesome rogue, call him names without penalty.

[AndrewC]

I followed the existing agreement, if you think that it should be amended, feel free to put your input in when it comes up for review.

Why would it ever cross your mind that I would agree to something that allows/promotes the use of abusive language?

Whatever you have done on this thread should be of no consequence to the simple question that originated these past postings. It still has not been anwered. Where was this troll charge substantiated? On what thread and what numbered posts did the sequence occur?

[AndrewC]

and if he's a really troublesome rogue, call him names without penalty.

What penalty?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your reply!

[I] think that there should be more here who are likeminded as myself.

No doubt you will find quite a few who are like-minded. In the vote, on top of the Creation/Intelligent Design side there were many on the Evolution side who qualified their vote with such words as Christian or Theistic.

A lot of the difference has to do with how people characterize their own views of origins. Some believing in the Creator and acknowledging evidence of evolution would identify with the Evolution camp while others with very similar views would call themselves Intelligent Design.

If you'd care to explore the different views on Origins here on Free Republic, they're gathered on this thread.

If you don't see your view in the collection, please post it - or any comments you have!

[Aric2000]

Well, that answer will have to wait, because I did not bookmark the thread, and I am heading for bed.

The fact is, I do NOT have to substantiate it, the thread spoke for itself, maybe someone else can be more helpful to you, but I am not going to spend the next hour looking for it.

My wife is in bed, and I plan on joining her, so I bid you good night and if I get the time tomorrow, I will see if I can find the pertinent thread.

Again, I do NOT have to do it, but because you seem to be so fascinated with what transpired, I will do my best to locate it tomorrow. Again, IF I have time.

Good night

[Alamo-Girl]

What penalty?

being out of compliance themselves for using belittling language

A science thread poster who has signed-on to the agreement and is complying is immune to the abuse key from others who have signed the agreement. He is also protected from the use of belittling words against himself or his beliefs, etc.

[AndrewC]

You might notice that the last poster on Alamo-girl's thread, goodseedhomeschool, has been banned. That seems to be a trend here, the banning of creationists.

[Aric2000]

By the way, it happened the day AFTER the agreement came into effect, if I remember correctly, so it has been close to a week, so it is going to be many pages back in my stash here on FR.

So again, it will take me a while to come up with the pertinent thread and posts, but it will have to wait until tomorrow.

And again, again, understand, I do NOT have to do this, I kept to the agreement through the entire process. Followed EVERY rule we layed out and EVERY step.

Again, good night.

[AndrewC]

A science thread poster who has signed-on to the agreement and is complying is immune to the abuse key from others who have signed the agreement. He is also protected from the use of belittling words against himself or his beliefs, etc.

If s/he is not being abusive why should s/he have concern about the abuse key? Ditto to the belittling words.

[Aric2000]

AHH, AHH, AHH!!!

goodseedhomeschool did that all by her lonesome.

She got Pissed off, sent a note to Jimrob telling him to cancel her donation to the site, and that she would not support a liberal website like this one.

She did that all on her own, all by herself.

She TOLD him to cancel her account.

Don't go blaming us for something she did ALL on her own.

She CHOSE to do that, we did NOT get her banned, nor wanted to, I had some VERY NICE conversations with her, and believe it or not, I miss her a bit.

Yes, she was a creationist, and yes, we disagreed on some issues, but we had some very nice and very civil conversations, Bondserv can attest to that, considering he was in on a lot of them.

Sorry, saw that post and HAD to respond.

Again, good night.

[AndrewC]

Good night, and God bless you and your dreams.

[AndrewC]

goodseedhomeschool did that all by her lonesome.

I didn't know that. The trend is still there, with asterisk. Pleasant dreams, only one God bless you per night. ;^)

[Alamo-Girl]

Whoa, AndrewC!

You might notice that the last poster on Alamo-girl's thread, goodseedhomeschool, has been banned. That seems to be a trend here, the banning of creationists.

I do believe that goodseedhomeschool came back under a false identity, as did medved. If there is one thing that will always get a poster in trouble around here it is coming back under a false identity. Jim Robinson has the patience of Job and has even let anti-Freepers come back to post after having been previously banned. But I've never once heard of his allowing a false identity poster to return, even for a visit.

A long time ago a poster by the name of Eschoir repeatedly posted under false identities for the purpose of causing disruption. That one ended up in the courts. False identities will always get a person into the worst possible situation on this forum.

I am absolutely, positively certain that the posters views on origins has nothing whatsoever to do with their banning. Any such suggestion is an insult to this forum.