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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer
BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.
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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.
The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.
"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."
Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.
A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.
Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.
The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.
When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.
The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.
"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.
The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.
India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.
In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.
Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.
Oh, it's much easier to use "File|Save As...". It saves each page as you've loaded it, plus it puts copies of any referenced images in their own subfolder.
So, for example, I have these files saved:
(Why AM I doing this??? I dunno. Why do I have over 100 hours of Zippergate on VHS?)
As I said, I have been on threads on the internet and boards for some ten years and have never seen such action. But even that is not relevant. It is decency and honor which keeps such things from being done. Those who violate that code as well as those who condone it have none.
And that while that is part of the reason why I call the agreement a farce, it is not even half of the problem with it as those who are interested can easily see in the links I provided in my most recent post above.
Very careful wording as usual. [Yeah, very careful. I said, in post 567 "I had nothing to do with ALS's freepmail. Nor have I 'persecuted' ALS." Those were sweeping denials of the allegations, with no loopholes.] You did have plenty to do with his being condemned by not raising your voice against the indecency of using a private communication publicly. Further, it is the evolutionists that started the food fight on this thread, the Christians have just been defending themselves against the lies and hypocrisy of the evolutionists which has been thoroughly detailed by me in Post 2496, Post# 2541, Post# 2619 , Post# 2688, and Post# 2692 of the Phoebe Debates thread.How many violations of the agreement to we find in this post? First, there is no retraction or justification of the post which originally triggered this "agrement action." That was the claim (post 546) that VadeRetro was without honor. I was raised to regard that as one of the most serious insults imaginable. G3k tossed it out casually, which is genuinely outrageous behavior.So neither you nor any other evolutionist or fellow traveller has any moral authority to condemn anyone. The ink was not dry on the agreement when you and your fellows used it against the specic purpose which the agreement had been founded on - to end disruption of these threads. And you and your fellows have continued in the same mode ever since.
575 posted on 08/17/2003 7:40 PM EDT by gore3000
Moving along to the baseless accusations against me, the original accusation, still unsupported, was (post 554) You used the agreement to persecute ALS. Part of which persecution was accomplished by the totally immoral publication of a private e-mail. I want everyone to understand that g3k has given no supporting evidence for that charge.
So the original accusation is bogus, and not retracted. In its place we have a new and different accusation, that I didn't "raise my voice" after the freepmail was already disclosed. But there was much discussion of the incident, and it was generally agreed that the freepmail had to be disclosed, and that there is no rule against doing so. Thus, I had no duty to "raise my voice," and this newest accusation by g3k is without merit.
g3k also rants about lies, hypocracy and food fights, but provides zero evidence to support his accusations against me (except cites to his many posts where he rants about evolutionist in general). He further accuses me and my "fellow travelers" of using the agreement against its purpose of ending disruption. This is clearly an accusation that I have been causing disruptions. Again, no supporting evidence.
Gore3000 had his "polite warning" in post 551, and was urged to return to compliance with the agreement. His disruptive conduct continued, as was detailed in post 567. His conduct has persisted after that, as detailed in this post. All the terms of the agreement have been met. Therefore gore3000 is a "non-compliant poster," and he may hereafter be called a provocateur, troll, spammer, or disruptor, and doing so will not be a violation of the agreement.
Further, as a "non-compliant poster," g3k is no longer protected by this provision of the agreement:
We will not use obscene or belittling words to describe another complying poster or whatever that poster believes ...One final point. Gore3000's status, having now been established, does not apply merely to this thread. It's a done deal. In other threads the same rules continue to apply. His non-complience doesn't have to be established all over again. His conduct has placed him outside the protection of the agreement.
It's most convenient that all of this has happened within one 50-post session. I'm saving it. Even if the thread is pulled, it can be reproduced. Gore3000 will hereafter to be treated exactly as he deserves to be treated.
I use "Save As ..." for many purposes as well. It's far easier, unless you want to repost to another thread after, say, the original thread is yanked. Those local copies of the images are as you say sitting on your HD. Your "saved" HTML has in fact been changed point to the local copies and not to the original sources on the web. The information of how to link the original sources has been lost, although you may be able to google it up again. Reposting will take some work.
I did for a long time, but I'm starting to recycle the cassettes. I'm starting to think of it as "How we almost made Al Gore an incumbent in 2000."
Didn't the Democrats cry foul when Bill Clinton's fleering letter to the man who granted his draft exemption was disclosed?
PRIVATE
Schadenfreude?
Thread-saving is a practice I regret not making a habit. There was a thread--I even forget how long ago--where I explicitly calculated how a faster-than-light signal reaches backwards in time. I would dearly love to find it; Google comes up dry.
Suppressing damaging evidence is a great tactic. When it fails, Plan B is to attack the people who disclosed it. But nobody is really fooled. Well, fools are fooled, but that's in the nature of things.
Might as well mention that my 6.0.2 MSIE doesn't like old saved thread files with local pictures. In fact, it just doesn't like local pictures at all.
I realize that we have a difference of opinion on the subject phrase, but that only illustrates that people of good conscience can disagree. In which case, we respectfully acknowledge that difference and continue talking!
Hope it isn't poison ivy!
PatrickHenry, thank you for the heads up on your posts! Your recommendations are noted and I will also not engage.
f.Christian, I noticed that you said a couple of times: ”oops --- resurrection - trouble ahead - coming !” If you are aware of any plan of banned Freepers or anti-Freepers to infiltrate this website under a false identity, that is something that ought to be disclosed at once to the Admin Moderator.
AndrewC, I realize you are quite upset about something and I’ve read this twice now and still don’t understand what is so offensive to you. I’ve never seen you get this upset before, so I’m quite bewildered by it. Surely this isn't the first time you’ve been on the receiving end of several unwanted posts from the same person. Was it the subject matter, the tone of the posts or perhaps the atmosphere of the thread? A combination, perhaps?
Ive' been out of town all weekend and am just catching up, so pardon if I don't know everything that's happened.
I got a freepmail way back before all the thread dropping started. It was very obvious that the sender had an agenda, and that was to disrupt these threads.
Now, in the last month or so I've had a number of discussions with Alamo, both public and private. I have had to reconsider the effect of phrases like "blue spew". I am genuinely happy that such phrases are explicitly considered unacceptable.
But there is a particular style of argument that encouraged such insults, and that style involves making accusations not so much against Freepers ans against the whole scientific community. It is one thing to argue that conventional ideas are wrong; quite another to insist that the whole community is withholding data, lying about data which is within anybody's means to check. I would suggest that when you take on the entire scientific establishment, you need to be cautious about how you phrase your arguments -- if you expect to be taken seriously.
If you do not see it, then nothing I can say will change that.
God bless you, Andy
Your point is well made. Railing accusations from either side are flame invitations. If you don't mind, would you kindly add that recommendation to the Agreement thread so we'll all remember it when the agreement comes up for review in a few weeks?
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