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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


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KEYWORDS: acanthostega; antarctica; australia; catastrophism; crevolist; dino; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; ichthyostega; india; madagascar; narmadabasin; narmadensis; paleontology; rajasaurus; rino
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To: PatrickHenry
Missed it, oh well, I'll try for 2550, and then 2600. ;)
2,501 posted on 08/25/2003 10:04:12 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I suspect you of gnosticism. Recant, and it will be easier on you!

LOL! Although some aspects of gnosticism are attractive to me, the majority of their beliefs are a bit too "trippy". Thus I remain comfortably a skeptic. :^)

2,502 posted on 08/25/2003 10:04:42 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Right Wing Professor
Part of the agreement was that we abjure such arguments. You can very nicely link several extremely bloody episodes in human history and Christianity. Let's not get into that.
No, lets. That charge is leveled at "Christianity" all the time and it is simply not true. You will find NOWHERE in the New Testament where the attrocities which have been perpetrated in Christianity's name have roots in Christian doctrine or Scripture. You have popes and kings who in the name of Christianity went out and (frankly with some justfication) went after the Muslim invaders, and without justifaction participated in things such as the Inquisition. You do not have that as a teaching of Scripture.

Darwinism does not overtly preach the doctrines of a Hitler. However, it's godless paradigm which paints man as just a higher animal and give no basis for a universal moral code (sorry, you all have not made the case with your 'nature' argument) creates an atmosphere where a Hitler, or a Mussolini can take advantage of Darwinian doctrine. Like it or not, even the NWO has some of its roots in this kind of philosophy.

Evolutionists would do well to look at what their theory has produced.
2,503 posted on 08/25/2003 10:05:29 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
The Bible has been used to justify many horrible acts in human history. I wouldn't use that to argue that the bible is less than it is, since human nature has interpreted that book in many ways.
2,504 posted on 08/25/2003 10:07:17 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: biblewonk
Sagan was one of the major prophets of the religion of evolution.

First off, Evolution is science, NOT religion.

Let's keep it straight, it may make it feel that your religion is somehow on a better keel then evolution, but it's NOT.

And Sagan was an astronomer, and a great believer that there was life out there in the cosmos.

I happen to believe him.

If there is NO other life out there, then it is an awful waste of space.

Asimovs little theory of us being alone in the universe had a VERY interesting explanation.

OK, quiz of the day, in Asimovs robot series of books, why were humans all alone in the universe?

Anyway, I disgress, there are plenty of stars out there, and they are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt as far as I am concerned that most have planets of some sort or another.

We will find someone else out there, it is just a matter of time.
2,505 posted on 08/25/2003 10:08:40 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: biblewonk
That He chose not to as indicated in the bible.

Where.

2,506 posted on 08/25/2003 10:09:24 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: biblewonk
So, if in the next few years researchers discover evidence (extent or fossilized) for life on Mars or Europa, you will, of course, refine your theory to fit the evidence.

Note, you said "life" -- not "sentient life." This means microbes qualify to falsify your statement.

2,507 posted on 08/25/2003 10:09:29 AM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: biblewonk
Thank you for your post!

Indeed, I remember Sagan. IMHO, he abused science to authenticate and promote ideology. I see such behavior both within and outside the science community as a huge problem, an abuse of science. Please see my post 2337 for present day examples.

2,508 posted on 08/25/2003 10:10:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Aric2000
First off, Evolution is science, NOT religion.

Not all things that want to be thought of as science are. Evolution is definitely religion. D=1/2AT (squared) is science, repeatable and reliable. A big explosion from nothing created all matter which, in time, evolved life is pure religion. Unrepeatable, unprovable and can not be disproven.

And Sagan was an astronomer, and a great believer that there was life out there in the cosmos.

That's for sure. He was a very very religious man. He worshipped the cosmos.

I happen to believe him.

He's also a good evangelist for his religion. I used to believe him.

We will find someone else out there, it is just a matter of time.

No we won't. It's not there.

2,509 posted on 08/25/2003 10:15:01 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Alamo-Girl
"Chinese, Hebrew, Greek, and Roman records of meteor showers date back about 3000 years. The most ancient records of meteor showers show that people interpreted the showers as magical or religious events. Ancient Greeks and Romans thought meteor showers were weather-related, like lightning and rain."

Alas, no decent referencing on that link. But note reference to Hebrews and lightning.

2,510 posted on 08/25/2003 10:15:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: RadioAstronomer
I hate quoting the bible to people who don't care what it says.
2,511 posted on 08/25/2003 10:16:17 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Hebrew lightning placemarker.
2,512 posted on 08/25/2003 10:16:36 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; Right Wing Professor
That is a great website! It's going to take a lot of reading to get through it, but I've already determined from this page that my problem with separating astrology and astronomy with regard to the shooting stars is going to be systemic.

Evidently, the ancients did in fact see such things as omens. I will continue searching for the an instance, prior to the 1 Enoch manuscript (200 BC), wherein the ancients believed a shooting star was the actual death of the star.

2,513 posted on 08/25/2003 10:17:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: biblewonk
It's not stated, it's indicated.

I do not understand what that means. Please explain further?

2,514 posted on 08/25/2003 10:19:14 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Alamo-Girl
Indeed, I remember Sagan. IMHO, he abused science to authenticate and promote ideology. I see such behavior both within and outside the science community as a huge problem, an abuse of science. Please see my post 2337 for present day examples.

You are so right. "All's fair in love and war". This is war and the lies and tricks and dirty pool played by "scientists" is shameful. The whole conversion of the religion of naturalism into to something other than religion, ie science is quite a nifty trick. People get up off their knees at the alter of evolution insisting they were not just worshipping.

2,515 posted on 08/25/2003 10:19:27 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: RadioAstronomer
No doubt, wouldn't that just throw a monkey wrench into all the works?

Man, the bible says that there is no other life out there, might as well pack it up and go home.

The true indicator of scientific knowledge has spoken.

Now I guess I might as well quit doing the SETI computer time sharing and all of that.

Shut down the telescopes, man, all that money wasted.

/sarcasm mode off
2,516 posted on 08/25/2003 10:19:43 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: DittoJed2
No true Scotsman doesn't like haggis.
2,517 posted on 08/25/2003 10:19:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Aric2000
LOL, or perhaps my faith enjoys the science and wishes it to continue until we know as much as we can know.
Well, at least you are admitting part of your love of evolutionary science is a faith thing.

Your faith on the other hand is threatened by it, or perhaps you choose NOT to ignore these threads because you wish to save our souls?

I can "save" nobody's soul. I can proclaim the truth. What you do with it is your choice.

I find it fascinating when Creationists and fundamentalists come onto these threads and throw things from AIG around like they are gospel of some sort and toss out phrases like if you understand evolution then you are an atheist etc.
I never said such a thing. I do believe, however, that people who claim to be "theistic" evolutionists are not being true either to the Scriptural record or necessarily even to Darwinism. They are certainly not biblicists, though being a theistic evolutionist does not make one not a Christian. It does make one inconsistent with Scripture.

Why do you come to these threads then?
Actually, because the rest of the story needs to be told.

We are quite happy to discuss the science between ourselves, and when a creationist comes in and starts throwing strawmen, it can get a little tiresome.

So can being told that evolution is "fact" when scientists themselves can't even agree as to the "facts".

If you do not like evolution, or do not like science, then leave the science/evolution threads alone.
Science and evolution are two different things. And, I will join in on any thread I wish, thank you very much.

What is so hard about that?

I find fundamentalist creationists fascinating in the fact that they absoluteley have to become involved in these discussions, when the only science that they get is from church or the AIG.



This is a lie. Many of the creationists and I.D. ers who do not buy Darwinism are accredited scientists. You would like to ignore that fact, but it is the truth.

We have a couple of very interesting posters from your side, at least they understand science, and don't fight it with their faith, they discuss it through science, Yes, AndrewC, I am talking about you, as well as A-G.

Anyway, please understand that most of us here are Theistic evolutionists, in one way shape or form or another.


I understand. I'm just saying if you are a Theistic evolutionist and claim to be a Christian, you are going on blind faith because you have discredited a large portion of Scripture itself in your mind- a portion that Jesus himself took literally. I never said you couldn't be a Christian and an Evolutionist, or that all theistic evolutionists were biblicists.

We are quite happy and content in our faith and in the actual sciences as well.

This is why we have such a hard time understanding how people could actually view science as a threat to their faith.


I don't view Science as a threat to my faith. Not at all. What I do view as a threat, more than to faith, is the teaching that life is here by chance and we are all just highly evolved animals. It is not a threat to me, but to the children growing up who are having it shoved down their throat from the first "millions of years ago Dinosaurs evolved..." to the science professor who mocks even the mention of creation. Darwinism is an evil religion. And it has helped to produce absolute evil in this world (oh, evil existed, but it lent itself very well to backing up evil philosophies such as Nazism).

Me, I just find it amusing.
I'm not the least amused.

If you are so threatened by science and the scientific method, then please understand when I say you are the one with the faith problem
Why do you keep making the allegation that I am "threatened" by science and the scientific method. This is part of the arrogance of Darwinism. If you disagree, obviously you are threatened by something. Hogwash. Your theory is bunk. BUNK. And, anyone without a college degree who has witnessed the intricate nature of a human being, or has seen the glory of God in creation could tell you that- without being threatened in the least).
2,518 posted on 08/25/2003 10:19:51 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: Shryke
The word trinity is not in the bible. Neither are the terms UFO's, alien life forms, Extra terresterials, etc. But all the concepts are there. I no longer jump when people demand bible quotes after 15 years of watching bible verses that I so lovingly study trampled under foot.
2,519 posted on 08/25/2003 10:22:39 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: DittoJed2; All
Assuming there are any on the anti-evolution side other than AG still complying with the agreement, could they explain to Dittojed2 why we decided to forgo this particular line of discussion?
2,520 posted on 08/25/2003 10:23:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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