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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; antarctica; australia; catastrophism; crevolist; dino; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; ichthyostega; india; madagascar; narmadabasin; narmadensis; paleontology; rajasaurus; rino
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To: Right Wing Professor
1977 is when he invented the machine. It isn't necessarily when he discovered the technology behind it or even solidified his ideas.
1,501 posted on 08/19/2003 6:04:38 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: Physicist
I got there August 1986. We actually had Lauterbur back as a commencement speaker about 1991, or so. They asked him to talk about what had attracted him to chemistry. So he told us how he used to order all sorts of materials in the mail to try and make explosives of various sorts. Unfortuantely, he said, you couldn't do that any more, so he wondered why anyone would go into chemistry.

It was actually a very funny talk, though it was clear some people were taking it far too seriously.

His labs were sort of a frozen history of his research career. I swear the man never threw anything away. We found dessicated pig fetuses in drawers, and an entire human brain in a bucket (in preservative).

1,502 posted on 08/19/2003 6:06:49 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DittoJed2
Find me where Damadian published prior to 1973, and you'll have a leg to stand on.
1,503 posted on 08/19/2003 6:08:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DittoJed2
Show me any evidence that predates Lauterbur's 1973 Nature paper. Anything.
1,504 posted on 08/19/2003 6:09:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
The biography on the website you said "are you kidding?" on says he proposed the idea in 1969.
1,505 posted on 08/19/2003 6:10:44 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
The biography on the website you said "are you kidding?" on says he proposed the idea in 1969.

Fine. Show me where.

1,506 posted on 08/19/2003 6:12:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DittoJed2
patent 3,789,832
1,507 posted on 08/19/2003 6:13:55 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
[AndrewC wrote, concerning Ichneumon(me):] Jim, Please. I have asked this individual not to post to me. I have written why. He has been abusive and I do not wish to be involved in a flame war. He can post whatever he likes, but he does not have the decency to leave me out of it. Is there anything you can write to him to make him understand that it is polite to leave people alone when they request to be left alone?

Mr. Robinson, this matter has already been submitted to the Admin Moderators. Since that's their purpose, and I'm sure you've got better things to do than personally be involved in a personal feud by a poster, I respectfully suggest that we simply let the moderators resolve it. I regret that the other party could not remain calm enough to await that result and had to bother you with it.

If however for some unfathomable reason you decide to waste your time on it, my posts recapping the matter and presenting my views on it can be found here (which is already in the hands of the moderators) and here.

Or maybe the quickest solution, if the FR administrators don't want to spend time sorting out who/what/why, and I can't imagine why they would, is to use the Solomon approach and just cut us both in half. Since AndrewC has tried to silence me (and others in the past), several times now, perhaps it's best to give him his wish -- but it's only fair if it works equally both ways, and we are both suspended for a time. It may even give him some new perspective on the nature of his demands, and perhaps he won't be so keen to suppress others when we both return.

Or I will accept any other equitable solution the administrators may decide is most appropriate.

1,508 posted on 08/19/2003 6:14:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I have no intention of wasting my time researching your little feud. If someone asks you to stop posting to him, stop posting. This is not complicated.
1,509 posted on 08/19/2003 6:16:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: general_re

1,511 posted on 08/19/2003 6:16:44 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: DittoJed2
I can sympathize with the patent court runaround. I am still looking for a medical discovery that resulted from the disbelief in evolution. I am not concerned with the personal beliefs of inventors. I am trying to see if creationism or ID leads to inventions or discoveries that would not be made in the course of conventional research.
1,512 posted on 08/19/2003 6:20:08 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor
Oh, Lauterbur is an excellent speaker. We had him give a talk on MRI at one of the I-CON science fiction conventions on campus. (I think it was I-CON II or III.) I remember that physics professor Max Dresden (the next speaker) chastised us for introducing Prof. Lauterbur as a "Nobel Prize nominee". Apparently, saying so in public is bad form. But what do undergrads ever know?
1,513 posted on 08/19/2003 6:21:27 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: AndrewC; Right Wing Professor
Which was filed 17 March 1972, issued 5 February
1974. Thank you Andrew C.
1,514 posted on 08/19/2003 6:30:58 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
You are welcome.
1,515 posted on 08/19/2003 6:33:11 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Ichneumon; DittoJed2
Hey ditto, why did you not respond?

I think this is a GREAT idea.

Wanna give it a try instead of bouncing from one topic and one strawman to another?

I am going to leave the bible thing alone, only because this is supposed to be a science thread, but if you would like to continue the discussion in another thread, please ping me, I will be happy to oblige.

So what do you say? Shall we do one thing at a time, or are you going to continue bouncing from one thing to another?

Let's do it!! It'll be fun!!
1,516 posted on 08/19/2003 6:33:13 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: bondserv
I have studied for myself, as a matter of fact I traveled to Italy and got a chance to study it while I was there. I also was able to visit a number of biblical scholars that I had been in contact with via mail, this was in 1989-90 time frame, while I was in the military, I took FULL advantage of the fact I was there.

The vatican library is unbelievable, and I was just in the public part, I can just imagine what the private part is full of.

The history of the bible is very interesting, you should really study the bible sometime, not what's in the bible, but the actual history of the bible, it's fascinating.

It will of course make you question your literal interpretation of it, but it is still fascinating all the same.

Anyway, that's as far as I will go with that, this is supposed to be a science thread, not a bible thread, if you would like to discuss it in another thread, then please ping me and I will be happy to.

Just don't expect to convert me, I am quite Unconvertable.
1,517 posted on 08/19/2003 6:45:58 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
As far as becoming some sort of literalist that is.

I have no problem with christianity, nor with the bible.

It is taking the bible as LITERAL that I have a problem with, just so that everyone knows where I stand.
1,518 posted on 08/19/2003 7:01:41 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: DittoJed2
Is there any evidence that would cause you to abandon the theory of evolution

The classic "rabbit fossil in a preCambrian rock" would certainly count. In fact, any well-documented out-of-place fossils would certainly throw the standard theory for a loop.

Another thing that would cause one to doubt the ToE would be finding that the clasification of organisms based on different proteins, genes, "junk" dna, etc., gave different phylogentic trees, or no tree at all.

So far, none of this has happened, but logically it *could*

and accept a literal Genesis account of creation?

If "literal Genesis" means YEC, I can't really think of anything - there's just too much overlapping redundant evidence for the earth being billions of years old. You'd have to, anong other things, show that the rates of radioactive decay have changed (in a consistent manner across isotopes), while at the same time preserving the other laws of physics. I can't imagine what sort of esperiments/observations could cause such fundamental changes in so many independent branches of knowledge.

1,519 posted on 08/19/2003 7:10:03 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: js1138
I am still looking for a medical discovery that resulted from the disbelief in evolution.

What about all those hot biotech companies that have gone public in recent years? Some of them, in their prospectuses, glossy annual reports, and frequent press releases must proudly call attention to the creationist credentials of their scientific personnel. Those companies are probably introducing great new creationist-based products all the time. You're just not looking.

1,520 posted on 08/19/2003 7:57:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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