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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

New Dinosaur Species Found in India
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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; antarctica; australia; catastrophism; crevolist; dino; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; ichthyostega; india; madagascar; narmadabasin; narmadensis; paleontology; rajasaurus; rino
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To: AndrewC
Yes.
1,041 posted on 08/18/2003 4:43:33 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Sabertooth is one of the Virtuous Non-Signers. One of many. I think some are posting in this thread now.
1,042 posted on 08/18/2003 4:44:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Sabertooth is one of the Virtuous Non-Signers.

Ah, yes! I think you made the distinction wonderfully clear earlier on this thread.

1,043 posted on 08/18/2003 4:45:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: DittoJed2
Science is based upon observation.

Indeed, but we have many ways to observe. We are not limited to telescopes.

Since science requires that SOMETHING be present in order for something to happen

I can think of at least three ways to interpret this statement; would you clarify this?

then the theory that NOTHING existed and brought forth SOMETHING is not scientific

According to any Big Bang model I know of, there never was such a "time when nothing existed". All you are shredding is your own misconceptions regarding the Big Bang.

nor is it observable.

You are mistaken if you believe that a thing must be directly observable in order to be accessible to scientific inquiry. The criterion for science is whether a model makes testable predictions. This the Big Bang does very well. It has survived more rigorous and quantitative observational tests than all but perhaps four or five models ever devised by mankind.

1,044 posted on 08/18/2003 4:46:01 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: DittoJed2
You have assumed a constant speed of light. You also appear to be saying speed=distance.

Uhh, yes, he did, The speed of light is constant in a vacuum, in other words in space the speed of light is a constant. Therefore to use it as a measure of distance is indeed not only practicle, but necessary. I sure wouldn;t want to say the distance to Alpha Centauri is 20 trillion, some odd billion, some odd million, some odd thousand, some odd hundreds of miles away. Does not go fleeting off the tongue if you know what I mean.

In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed. Even stop it.

Yes, VERY cool experiments, we may even get lightspeed computers out of it, or possibly Infiniband. Very cool technology, but has NOTHING to do with the speed of light in the vacuum of space.

There is also some evidence that the speed of light is in fact slowing and it has been measured to have slowed down over time. Light year is a speed, not a distance.

The evidence is wrong, it has been well refuted and set aside by science LONG ago. The speed of light is constant, and remains constant.

If the speed of light actually changed at all over this period, I assure you, you would have noticed, PHYSICALLY noticed.
1,045 posted on 08/18/2003 4:47:53 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: PatrickHenry
Virtuous placemarker
1,046 posted on 08/18/2003 4:49:32 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: DittoJed2; Aric2000
Light year is a speed, not a distance.

No.

1,047 posted on 08/18/2003 4:49:43 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Okay then, what happens to that field when a thin spherical shell of R0 < R1 with mass S is placed around "B"?
1,048 posted on 08/18/2003 4:51:21 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro
Just making sure, since it sure looks like you are guessing motives without specific evidence.
1,049 posted on 08/18/2003 4:52:47 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; Nakatu X; LeeMcCoy
Ah, yes! I think you made the distinction wonderfully clear earlier on this thread.

You obviously define virtue as not pointing out your failures to comply with your agreement.

1,050 posted on 08/18/2003 4:59:12 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC; Physicist
Okay then, what happens to that field when a thin spherical shell of R0 < R1 with mass S is placed around "B"?

The field is decreased inside the shell (on the surface of "B," for instance) and increased outside it. The total energy decrease in the combined gravitational fields should equal the e=mc2 equivalent of S.

I suppose. Phys can check me.

Physicist, based on your post here, AndrewC has proposed the following Stump-the-Dummies game:

1) Your link gives me pause. Suppose you have 2 masses A and B separated by some distance R1. Is there a non-zero gravitational field between them?

(Answer: Yes.)

2) Okay then, what happens to that field when a thin spherical shell of R0 < R1 with mass S is placed around "B"?

(Answer given above.)

Your comments are appreciated.
1,051 posted on 08/18/2003 5:00:49 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Just making sure, since it sure looks like you are guessing motives without specific evidence.

I'm not sure, but this looks like a baseless allegation.

1,052 posted on 08/18/2003 5:01:41 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro; AndrewC; Physicist
The total energy decrease in the combined gravitational fields should equal the e=mc2 equivalent of S.

I blew that part. Adding more mass adds more total gravitational energy. The increase outside beats the decrease inside.

1,053 posted on 08/18/2003 5:04:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I'm not sure, but this looks like a baseless allegation.

That might be because you are forgetting post 1039.

1,054 posted on 08/18/2003 5:08:12 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Can't imagine why you think so. Games aside, you're getting very boring.
1,055 posted on 08/18/2003 5:09:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Can't imagine why you think so. Games aside, you're getting very boring.

Well, then goodbye, I don't mean to bore you. I find you highly entertaining.

1,056 posted on 08/18/2003 5:12:52 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro
... total gravitational energy.

I confuse myself here with faulty terminology. I should say "gravitational field strength," as this is being equated to negative mass/energy.

1,057 posted on 08/18/2003 5:13:14 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
I don't understand your near-obsession with an agreement you haven't signed. Your behavior reminds me of those corporate gadflies who show up at a company's annual meeting and try to dominate the agenda with their pet proposals. But corporate gadflies at least buy a share of stock to gain admittance. You're not a party to the agreement at all. If you sign on, I'll be happy to consider your opinions. If you don't, I'll just shrug your comments off.
1,058 posted on 08/18/2003 5:14:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: DittoJed2
In the laboratory, they have been able to speed up and slow down light speed.

When? Where?

1,059 posted on 08/18/2003 5:18:58 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: VadeRetro
Your comments are appreciated.

Judging by past experiences with AndrewC, either he believes that he can lawyer established physics into some trivial logical inconsistency that somehow escaped many of the greatest minds in the history of the human race, or he's playing the child's game of iteratively asking, "but why", heedless of the answers he may be given, in hope either of angering the other party, or eventually declaring victory as the last man standing.

At this point, I'm expecting you still to be pinging me to this thread in October. ;^)

1,060 posted on 08/18/2003 5:20:05 PM PDT by Physicist
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