ArnoldGovernor.net (correct thread)

ArnoldGovernor.net (elephantparty.com - temporary) ^ | 8/6/2003 | Jagrmeister

[jagrmeister]

CALLING ALL Arnold Schwarzenegger Supporters:

I am announcing the creation of ArnoldGovernor.net . I have reserved the domain, but the site is up right now at a temporary URL which can be seen here (www.elephantparty.com). I am a Californian and a conservative - and I can say with certainty that Arnold represents the best chance we have of claiming California's governorship. I am posting this site for your review.

First, the others in the race. Bill Simon and Tom McClintock are both fine men, but they have lost important statewide races in the past. Simon lost a race against Davis last year which should have been a cakewalk given Davis' record. Most political analysts agree that Simon ran one of the worst campaigns in recent memory. McClintock is a virtual unknown statewide (let's not get fooled by our own echo chamber). The KEY to remember is that we have

Only 2 months (8 weeks) until Election Day. There is NO time to run someone who Californians have rejected in the past or a virtual unknown. For those who have leaned towards either of them, I'm appealing to your sense of reason to get behind someone with the best shot of winning. Now, why should we elect Arnold?

Arnold is a fiscal conservative but moderate otherwise. His stance on abortion will matter less than you might think- that's a matter for Supreme Court justices which the California governor has no say about. He is pro-business, pro-entrepreneurship, and tough on crime (witness his Proposition 49 which aims to reduce juvenille crime - a major, largely unaddressed component of crime). He is an "American by choice" and is very patriotic. People look at him and think "It's okay to be a Republican". With Schwarzenegger pulling a Total Recall on Grey Davis, Bush may actually find that California is friendly territory in 2004.

I am looking for pro-Arnold supporters to help:

1. Pitching Arnold's candidacy

2. Graphics design- create compelling visuals that are pro-Arnold or anti-Davis

3. Anyone else that wants to be pinged for pro-Arnold events.

4. Coming up with good one liners, spin, updates, opposition research, etc.

Let's team up! Thanks!!

Once I get your suggestions, I will update the site and in a few days, it will be at ArnoldGovernor.net . Thanks all Freepers for your help.

[Sloth]

Name recognition will be all the more important in an election where the spoils go to whoever gets a plurality, on a ballot packed with every Tom, Dick & Harry in California who could come up with $3500.

[Rummyfan]

Former Californian here - I wish I could move back to vote for Arnold. I'm hearing a lot of carping from conservatives that we don't really know anything about Arnold's politics, that he is married to a Kennedy, that he's a RINO, etc.

But the fact remains that Arnold Schwarzenegger represents our best chance of getting a Republican into the governorship. Simon already ran and lost once - against a very weak opponent. He had his chance. McClintock - I know nothing about him and suspect neither do a lot of Californians. Issa has withdrawn.

That leaves Arnold to unite behind - think about Huffington getting elected, or Bustamante (sp), or worst of all, Davis retaining the office. Arnold looks very good compaired to those alternatives.

Good luck with the site. Although I can't help technically and am on the East Coast, let me know if there is anytnig else I (we) can do.

[EternalVigilance]

Organization can trump name ID in an election of this sort.

This is a prime opportunity for the conservative movement to flex its organizational muscle.

But McClintock is the only one who can do it now.

This has all happened because of Davis' incompetence on the budget. There is only one guy in this race who has actually been in the arena doing something about it--and it ain't Schwarzennegger.

[meyer]

And as a fellow Tennessean, you ought to know better than to even think about considering urging support for this RINO after 8 years of Scumquist.

Perhaps, though I only managed to suffer under Sundquist for 1 or 2 years. Prior to that, I suffered under the anti-gun Taft in Ohio. Still, as liberal as he may have seemed, he was no match for the Cleveland DemocRATic machine.

Anyway, as for Arnold - I admire his acheivements and I beleive he has good economic sense. But, his views on abortion and guns aren't to my liking. Plus, he's married to a Kennedy - Its hard to be conservative with Teddy's kin sitting next to you on the bed each night. I'll take your advice and refrain from supporting at this time.

[meyer]

And as a fellow Tennessean, you ought to know better than to even think about considering urging support for this RINO after 8 years of Scumquist.

Perhaps, though I only managed to suffer under Sundquist for 1 or 2 years. Prior to that, I suffered under the anti-gun Taft in Ohio. Still, as liberal as he may have seemed, he was no match for the Cleveland DemocRATic machine.

Anyway, as for Arnold - I admire his acheivements and I beleive he has good economic sense. But, his views on abortion and guns aren't to my liking. Plus, he's married to a Kennedy - Its hard to be conservative with Teddy's kin sitting next to you on the bed each night. I'll take your advice and refrain from supporting at this time.

[meyer]

sorry about the double post.

[discostu]

I don't misunderstand it at all. Arnold is in better shape to get voters out than anyone. A big part of the emotonal package of a recall election is people being tired of the same old politicians making the same old promises. If people were looking for a normal political answer they'd wait until the guy faces normal re-election. Somebody from outside the box has an immediate advantage, somebody from outside the box who's already gotten more TV time than all his opponents combined is a sure fire winner.

[EternalVigilance]

Let's say you're correct. Does that matter? Shouldn't conservatives fight like hell anyway for a conservative, instead of being defeatists who will fall in line with a Leftist celebrity simply because he's had his face on a screen?

This whole thing makes me sick; and the thing that makes me the sickest is how some conservatives surrender without a shot being fired.

If Schwarzenegger wins this, it will do nothing but empower the abortionists and the Leftists who want your guns and anything else they can get their hands on.

[EternalVigilance]

My apologies to my Jewish friends, but you all remind me of the Jews of Europe who marched off to the camps without a fight--at least until it finally sank into their heads that it was a one-way trip.

That might sound hyperbolic--and it is--but the principle is the same.

Every conservative in CA that supports a pro-abortion, gungrabbing, homosexual marriage and adoption lover should hang their heads in shame.

[discostu]

Conservatives should fight like to move the situation to the right. The most important part of that is to fight winnable battles. I see pushing for a guy like McClintock (whom I respect and think he'd do a great job if by some unimaginable miracle he could win) as similar to Market-Garden in WWII (immortalized in the book and movie A Bridge Too Far), had Market-Garden worked it would have ended WWII in a couple weeks, problem is Market-Garden couldn't work it was the wrong plan for the terrain and the battlefield; and in order to support Market-Garden we had to put the brakes on Patton's southern push which could have ended the war in a month or so. Because we put all the assets behind a plan that looked great but was doomed to failure the war dragged on longer than it would have, the Arden counter offensive happened, and we lost thousands more soldiers than we would have if we'd made Montie take that damn harbor and shorten the supply line.

This is the planning stage, this is when you're supposed to "surrender" bad plans without a shot being fired, if shots are fired the plan is already in action and now you're stuck with it.

If Schwarzenegger wins this we get an R in the top statewide office in the most populated state in the union. It also give the GOP a friendly respectedface regularly talking politics, somebody that backs Bush, backs the War on Terror and backs fiscal responsibility, and has millions of fans, and he gets to speak from the podium of an elected official not some Hollywood goof overstepping his bounds. No pro-life candidate is going to win a statewide election in California for at least 10 years so you'd better get used to that, first you've got to change the mind of the populace then you elect leaders that reflect those value. Sadly pro-life doesn't reflect the current values of California.

[discostu]

We remind me more of the guys in the Warsaw ghetto who did what they could with what they had.

[Long Cut]

I was hoping I wasn't the only one who thought that it would be insane to run a candidate who talked about abortion and gay marriage in a campaign brought on because of a FISCAL emergency.

That's like the Dims talking about the economy after 9-11 and as war with Iraq loomed. People have every right to look at you like you're nuts.

[discostu]

Gotta pick the right candidate for the right time. W won in 2000 because he's got that "awshucks" thing, likes hanging out at his ranch and projects a very simple guy with simple tastes, which after 8 years of Clinton's drama and glitter really spoke to voters. There were probably half-a-dozen GOPers who would have made better presidents than Bush (and that's not a hit on Bush, simply a mathematical certainty) but none of them could win in 2000.

Are there GOPers who'd be better governors of CA than Arnold? Damn straight. Do any of them have a shot at winning? Nope. Sometimes it comes down to the letter after their name. I vote against McCain and Kolbe in every primary, and vote for them in every general election. I hate them both and can't wait to get them out of office, but if my choice is them with an R or some other guy with a D I've got to go with the R, we need the numbers in DC. Just like we need some number other than zero in CA.

[Petronski]

How does he expect to void $42B in overpriced electricity contracts?

[Jay D. Dyson]

Name recognition will be all the more important in an election where the spoils go to whoever gets a plurality, on a ballot packed with every Tom, Dick & Harry in California who could come up with $3500.

If that were true, then Gallagher (the Sledge-O-Matic) comic should be making vast numbers in the polls. Same with Larry Flynt.

Name recognition doesn't mean squat. Just look at Walter Mondale.

-Jay

[EternalVigilance]

No pro-life candidate is going to win a statewide election in California for at least 10 years so you'd better get used to that...

That's probably true when the political powers-that-be get the message that the pro-lifers really don't give a rip about the issue; as is being demonstrated by you all.

[discostu]

No. It's true because CA has a serious left lean. Look at population of your statewide officials, are ANY of them pro-life? What's happened to pro-life candidates that have run in the last 10 years? How many wins? How many of them had it turned into a campaign issue on them by their opponent? If CA leaned pro-life why would the opponent make that a campaign issue?

I give a rip about the issue, I just also happen to understand the distinct difference between what is ideal and what is possible.

[luckystarmom]

My reasons are lame! Tom McClintock is a career politician. I don't want a career politician in office. I'm tired of politicians.

I think one of the reasons why President Bush is a good leader is because he is not a career politician. He's done other things besides politics, and he will do other things after he is finished being president.

Arnold brings similar qualities. He is not a career politician. He's a successful businessman. He knows the business climate sucks in California. I want someone that can win, and it isn't going to be McClintock.

[EternalVigilance]

Well, you've stated your reasons which I consider lame. I want to elect leaders who actually believe in the things represented by our party. How strange of me, I know, but this whole thing is like the Democrats running Tom Delay for President.

[EternalVigilance]

By the way, let me clue ya. Once they declare their candidacy, they at that moment become politicians.

Arnold is now one of those dreaded creatures, and since 'you're tired of politicians', maybe you should give up your support of him.