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Home-schooling standoff (MA Liberals try to get state custody for 'abused' home-schooled kids)
Metrowest Daily ^ | 6/13/03 | Beecher

Posted on 06/13/2003 12:26:29 PM PDT by pabianice

"We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do!"

WALTHAM, MA -- A legal battle over two home-schooled children exploded into a seven-hour standoff yesterday, when they refused to take a standardized test ordered by the Department of Social Services.

George Nicholas Bryant, 15, and Nyssa Bryant, 13, stood behind their parents, Kim and George, as police and DSS workers attempted to collect the children at 7:45 a.m. DSS demanded that the two complete a test to determine their educational level.

After a court order was issued by Framingham Juvenile Court around 1 p.m., the children were driven by their parents to a Waltham hotel.

Again, they refused to take the test.

"The court order said that the children must be here. It said nothing about taking the test," said George Bryant.

The second refusal came after an emotion-filled morning for the family, when DSS workers sternly demanded the Bryants comply with their orders.

"We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do."

Four police officers were also at the scene and attempted to coax the Bryants to listen to the DSS worker.

"We are simply here to prevent a breach of the peace," said Waltham Youth Officer Detective James Auld. "We will will not physically remove the children."

Yesterday's events are the continuation of a six-year legal battle between the family and Waltham Public Schools and the state.

The Bryants contend that the city and state do not have the legal right to force their children to take standardized tests, even though DSS workers have threatened to take their children from them.

"There have been threats all along. Most families fall to that bullying by the state and the legal system," said George Bryant.

"But this has been a six-year battle between the Waltham Public Schools and our family over who is in control of the education of our children," Bryant continued. "In the end the law of this state will protect us."

The Bryant children have never attended public school.

Both sides agree that the children are in no way abused mentally, physically, sexually or emotionally, but legal custody of the children was taken from Kim and George Bryant in December 2001. The children will remain under the legal custody of DSS until their 16th birthdays.

The parents have been ruled as unfit because they did not file educational plans or determine a grading system for the children, two criteria of Waltham Public School's home schooling policy.

"We do not believe in assessing our children based on a number or letter. Their education process is their personal intellectual property," said Bryant.

George Bryant said he was arrested six years ago, after not attending a meeting that the city contends he was summoned to. The meeting was called by the Waltham School Department for his failure to send his children to school.

"We want these issues aired in the open, in public. The school system and DSS have fought to keep this behind closed doors," said Bryant.

Superintendent of Schools Susan Parrella said she was unaware of yesterday's incident and that, currently the school department approves of the education plan filed by DSS for the Bryant children.

"An acceptable home school plan is in place right now," said Parrella. "I was not aware of any testing occurring today."

The Bryant children freely admit that they have no intention of taking a test.

"We don't want to take the test. We have taken them before and I don't think they are a fair assessment of what we know," said Nyssa Bryant. "And no one from DSS has ever asked us what we think."

Kenneth Pontes, area director of DSS, denied that workers have never talked to the children privately, but admitted that this type of case isn't often seen by his office.

"This is an unusual case. Different school systems require different regulations for home-schooled children. Waltham requires testing," said Pontes.

Pontes said that a possibility exists that the children will be removed from their home, but that was a last course of action.

"No one wants these children to be put in foster homes. The best course of action would for (the Bryants) to instruct the children to take the test," said Etscovitz.

The Bryant family is due in Framingham District Court this morning, to go before a juvenile court judge. According to DSS, this session will determine what their next course of action will be and if the children will be removed from the Bryants' home.

"These are our children and they have and always will be willing participants in their education," said Kim Bryant.


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To: Law
Both parts of the fix would be major battles

Tax Relief brought up a third front in this war and that is open court records. ALMA, the AAC, WARM and BN have all been fighting the open record battle in the adoption arena for at least twenty years that I know of.

There are plenty of battles to be fought.

LS

341 posted on 06/14/2003 7:53:04 PM PDT by ladysusan (Social wreckers, not social workers)
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To: ccoutlaw
HSLDA is great if you follow their standards. They will not help everyone, even if you pay their dues. Check it out. I have 6 children and we looked into it. If it would help everyone no matter what I'd join too but they dont.

Not only that but if you have a case they think they can win it doesn't matter if you are a member or not. This happened in Michigan. After the Michigan State Court of Appeals dicision HSLDA asked the family if they could take the case to the State Supreme Court. The family was not a member of this organization.

Latter, half the State was divided when HSLDA threw its support to a bill that had great potential to remove the rights homeschooling families had gained in the 1993 State Supreme Court cases. Thank the Lord homeschoolers in our state can declare (we are not required to register) themselves as private schools or homeschools.

The funny thing is HSLDA has done some very fine things but they have also stirred up lots of trouble as well.

342 posted on 06/14/2003 8:16:56 PM PDT by Diva
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To: pabianice
"DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do!"

. . .'Maine Liberals' . . .more than just a name; and perhaps too kind for these people.

Should read. . .'little frickin communists' -

343 posted on 06/15/2003 5:15:23 AM PDT by cricket
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To: CyberCowboy777
"This is tyranny!"

And their rhetoric is 'jack-booted'. . .

344 posted on 06/15/2003 5:17:32 AM PDT by cricket
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To: SlickWillard
Do not post personal information on the board again. Thank you.
345 posted on 06/15/2003 6:13:07 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; SlickWillard
Not only is it against policy, but it is redundant, since Susan Etscovitz's contact information is readily available from a number of Internet directories.

Still, one has to observe the slant in the news: private citizens are always the focus of these stories, and government functionaries, if they are named at all, are never questioned as to how their participation and use of discretion affected a situation. In this case, those are relevent questions, and Susan Etscovitz deserves exposure to community reaction to her decisions.
346 posted on 06/15/2003 10:47:53 AM PDT by eno_
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To: f.Christian
f.Christian...God bless you...it is good to see you here...keep up the fight.

Lady Eileen
347 posted on 06/15/2003 3:04:14 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: pabianice
What I would like to see: The "Know Your State Homeschooling Law" Act.

A federal law (or an amendment to the "No Child Left Behind Act" that stipulates that any school district official who knowingly or unknowingly (Can't plead ignorance here. Know your state law.) disregards the home schooling law of that state loses federal funding for public education in that district for a prescribed period of time and is subject to criminal penalties.

For some reason, I don't think HSLDA.org wants to go along with this. I e-mailed them about this, but I never got a reply. Oh, well.
348 posted on 06/15/2003 3:55:47 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: CyberCowboy777
"This is tyranny"

Worse than that it is judicial tyranny!

I don't remember the person who said it or if it is the right quote, "It is too late to revolt and too early to shoot them", I may be wrong.

Screw MA, screw the Department of Socialist Services.

350 posted on 06/16/2003 5:30:20 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Murphy's rules for combat #14 The equipment you are using was made by the lowest bidder!)
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To: nmh
"Sounds like a nutcase to me.

You are a moron

Why wouldn't a homeschooling parent test their kids"

because the kids are theirs, not the states you simple minded boob

351 posted on 06/16/2003 5:33:38 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Murphy's rules for combat #14 The equipment you are using was made by the lowest bidder!)
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To: Geritol
Assuming that it is the same, I am not quite surprised that I am not finding this work on the (www.ipl.org) since it seems to be missing many truly important works.

They should change the name of the site to www.ipll.org (Internet Public Library of Liberalism). LOL! Like any branch library in a city, they carefully cull the available material.

352 posted on 06/16/2003 6:01:16 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Buckeroo
It sure would tickle my fancy if you could authenticate that quote. I will wager, you can't.

I can and had you done a simple search through any noted record of quotes you could have also.

But that was not the point was it? You would rather assassinate the character of someone you disagree with. Imply some shady standard of practice on my part.

Why would you even think the I would post some bogus quote? On FreeRepublic no less... I would get caught.

353 posted on 06/16/2003 10:15:08 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: whipitgood
The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment, Res Judicatae (June 1953).
354 posted on 06/16/2003 10:19:54 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: Buckeroo
Quoted in William L. Shirer, “Education in the Third Reich,” ch. 8, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959). per Bartlett's Quotations.

This is an accepted and sourced quote by Shirer.

Please provide evidence that Shirer, Bartlett's and I are wrong.
355 posted on 06/16/2003 10:28:50 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: SERE_DOC
"Its too late to work within the system to change things, and too early to shoot the bastards"
-Claire Wolfe
356 posted on 06/16/2003 10:33:51 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: nmh
Sounds like a nutcase to me. Why wouldn't a homeschooling parent test their kids? Something fishy going on here. Just what is it that these kids KNOW that can't be measured by a test? Furthermore, why should these kids be excemt from testing? Why must they be the exception to the rule?

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "Here's your sign".

357 posted on 06/16/2003 10:36:04 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: CyberCowboy777
Thanks for the quote.
358 posted on 06/16/2003 12:53:25 PM PDT by SERE_DOC (Murphy's rules for combat #14 The equipment you are using was made by the lowest bidder!)
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To: SamAdams76
Glad to see you came back from your bout of cretinism. Sometimes I get stupid too, but what are friends for if not to slap you out of your ignorant positions.
359 posted on 06/16/2003 1:53:33 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: SoulStorms
You can refuse them politely, but then you'd better get a lawyer.

What would John Adams think?

ML/NJ

360 posted on 06/16/2003 4:34:38 PM PDT by ml/nj
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